Like I said before I dont believe the guy when he said he would fold JJ there. And if he would then then he HAS to have QQ in the other big hand that Mad Genius posted.
Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:10 am
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Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:32 am
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I think value betting in general becomes much tougher when you play with deep stacks. If this was a 2/4NL party game, we would already be allin on the flop or turn; however, playing with real stacks, I think you have to be cautious. I do think a value bet would have been fine, but knowing that he could only have such a narrow range of hands (JJ, AK) I was willing to take the free showdown.
Also, the reason why I didn't pop back on the flop was because at that point, he hadn't really defined his hand at all. His raise could have been with JJ or with 75. My bet was weak, and for all I know he could have been trying to pounce on my weakness. If I re-raise there it becomes very clear that I'm not messing around and that I have a real hand, which forces him to slow down on the turn. Again, playing with shallower stacks a re-raise might have worked but with such deep stacks my sole goal on the flop was to get all of it in, and I thought the turn would be a better place to push it hard.
Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:47 pm
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I understand you reasoning, but I think you judgement was clouded for whatever reason.
Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:31 am
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Sometimes its much clearer to analyze the hand when your not involved but i was 75% sure he had JJ from your description of the hand.
By the way, I dont believe for a second that he would lay down his JJ to a river bet by you.
Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:52 pm
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On the river, he isn't calling anything with KQ. If he's got JJ he calls a value bet and I make 300 or so. If he's got AK then I lose 800. At the time it seemed reasonable to check. Maybe I was wrong.
And Kenny, I don't think I was playing with scared money. I definately was more careful, but that came as much from the fact that I wasn't playing with the everyday $100NL online moron as it came from playing higher stakes.
Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:38 pm
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Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:12 pm
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Why do you say that he would reraise with AK but not with JJ? On the turn, they are similar hands in that they are very likely to be ahead. I don't think the hearts really play because it was pretty clear to both of us that neither would be dumb enough to be drawing for the flush.
Regardless, he turned up Jacks, and as he did he correctly guessed my hand to be KJ. Of course I proudly turned it over and raked in the pot.
In retrospect I could have bet the river but I was a bit spooked by the fact that I had seen him checkraise the river with the nuts multiple times. I guess that's what intimidation does for you. After the game we chatted for a bit and he told me he would have folded to any reasonable river bet. Of course if he really thought I had KJ then I think it's reasonable to think that he would have raised me allin on the river. I am capable of laying that down on the river and he probably knows it.
Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:57 pm
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Great hand. Results please?
Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:29 pm
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Anyways, I sat down with the 500 buy-in, the maximum alotted. I was running pretty hot and doubled up when I got Kings early on. With a stack of $1200, I played a tough hand against who I consider to be one of the best NL players I have ever played against. My previous read on this guy had been that he was a tricky, aggressive player who was unpredictable but played very well postflop. I tried my best to stay away from him but he had a big stack and seemed willing to gamble a bit. He's got me covered in this hand.
In the CO, I find
![[Kd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kd.gif "The King of Diamonds")
[Jd]. It's folded to me, and I limp. SB completes, and BB (villian) makes it $20. I call the additionall $15. SB folds. Villian has shown that he is capable of raising preflop with rags, although his postflop play isn't all that wild.FLOP:
![[Kh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kh.gif "The King of Hearts")
[Jh][Ks] (Pot: $45) (2 players)Villian checks. I throw out a small $20 bet. Villian makes it $60. I call.
TURN:
![[7d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
(Pot: $165)Villian bets $100. I raise to $300. He calls instantly.
RIVER:
![[Ah]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ah.gif "The Ace of Hearts")
(Pot: $765) Villian checks. I check behind him. I had about $800 left if that matters.
I think I played this hand pretty well. I didn't want to reveal the strength of my hand on the flop so I smooth called, planning to make my move on the turn. Also, if he had the flush draw I didn't want to scare him away. When the turn comes and he bet again, I was pretty sure he had a King. While he was aggressive, he normally didn't follow through on a bluff past the flop. I thought he most likely held KQ or AK, so I raised him a good amount to get him pot-committed. As far as the river check goes, well, I didn't know if I could play for my entire stack here. The way he called my $200 raise showed strength, and when the Ace hit, I was very scared of AK. He is the type of player who will vastly overbet pots or check on the river with the nuts. He is quite unpredictable. I just couldn't think of the right amount to bet. Why? Because if I bet small (~$200) then I could extract an extra $200 from him with a worse hand possibly, but I risk getting checkraised for my last $600. Am I willing to call off my last $600 here? I'm not sure. If I bet any more, say, $400, he probably won't call with a worse hand. If he had KQ, then he can't feel good about his hand and would probably lay it down. If he had AK or AA he just hit jackpot and could be trying to trap me. The only hand that I could get a reasonable amount from, I thought, was JJ. He didn't seem to be drawing for the flush, either.
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Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:23 pm
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