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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2005-01-10T06:47:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=786&mode 2005-01-10T06:47:45-06:00 2005-01-10T06:47:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4510#p4510 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]>
I could only raise 1.75 as it was a pot limit table. I raised the maximum. Normally I make it 4 BB for a raise, so would be $2.50 here.

Monk
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Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:47 am


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2005-01-08T09:03:36-06:00 2005-01-08T09:03:36-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4397#p4397 <![CDATA[I remember...]]>
Or mentioned it. That is the sort of idea that I don't think I would have ever come up with on my own...not that I have done it yet...except in a tournament.

Statistics: Posted by Danhdan — Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:03 am


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2005-01-07T12:42:03-06:00 2005-01-07T12:42:03-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4290#p4290 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]>

Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:42 pm


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2005-01-07T11:41:11-06:00 2005-01-07T11:41:11-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4277#p4277 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by excession — Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:41 am


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2005-01-07T09:06:42-06:00 2005-01-07T09:06:42-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4270#p4270 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:06 am


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2005-01-07T07:44:57-06:00 2005-01-07T07:44:57-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4268#p4268 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]>
This is irrelevant. It's before any information comes into the system.

If instead I ask you 'what is the average holding that non-maniacs will re-raise a standard raise with pre-flop', you will get the following

Most ABC players will stick to re-raising with a big pair (ie AA,KK or maybe QQ).
Some aggressive types will also push with AK, JJ or even TT.

Now if I look at the PFR% of someone and see that he is passive (ie less than 8% raise pre-flop) then I'm pretty sure he won't be that aggressive a re-raiser. Let's make the assumption (and it's a worst case scenario) that every aggressive pre-flop player would also re-raise with AK,JJ or TT)

I know that a least 2/3 of players at the Party $25 low-medium average tables (where I play) will come into the passive category (in fact I will be able to see the stats on the specific player but let's try to guess the 'average' likliehood we are in trouble.)

So 66% of the time (the ABC players) you are facing an overpair to your QQ if there is a re-raise pre-flop .

The other 33% you might be.
12 ways for the AA or KK
16 ways for AK, 12 for JJ or TT (28)

Roughly 1/3 the time you are facing the overpair vs the aggressive re-raiser..

So I figure you are facing the overpair overall 3 times out of 4.

And of course the aggressive player is going to push no matter what post-flop.

Nah - as I said before - unless he is a maniac I'm shutting up shop if I don't set the flop.

Statistics: Posted by excession — Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:44 am


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2005-01-07T06:03:21-06:00 2005-01-07T06:03:21-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4255#p4255 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Bob314 — Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:03 am


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2005-01-07T04:25:41-06:00 2005-01-07T04:25:41-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4245#p4245 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:25 am


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2005-01-06T17:00:11-06:00 2005-01-06T17:00:11-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4203#p4203 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:00 pm


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2005-01-06T15:53:18-06:00 2005-01-06T15:53:18-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4198#p4198 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Bob314 — Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:53 pm


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2005-01-06T14:23:14-06:00 2005-01-06T14:23:14-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4187#p4187 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:23 pm


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2005-01-06T13:12:53-06:00 2005-01-06T13:12:53-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4180#p4180 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by TexasKowboy — Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:12 pm


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2005-01-06T09:13:59-06:00 2005-01-06T09:13:59-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4166#p4166 <![CDATA[I don't know...]]>

Statistics: Posted by Danhdan — Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:13 am


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2005-01-06T07:22:10-06:00 2005-01-06T07:22:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4153#p4153 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]>
Three times I called the pre-flop re-raiser (Implied odds there for a set). Each time no ace or king (or Q) came on the flop. Each time I wasn't good enough to lay it down then and there and lost more money as a result.

But I ended up overall on the night and learnt a very important lesson.

I AM DONE WITH QQ WHEN A STANDARD BET IS RE-RAISED PRE-FLOP. SO FAR AS I AM CONCERNED QQ IS JUST A MORE BEGUILING JJ AND IS TRASH IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. IF I DO SEE A FLOP AND THE SET MISSES I AM FINISHED

And if this rule holds good at Party $25's then I'm damn sure it holds good everywhere else in the NL universe.

Statistics: Posted by excession — Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:22 am


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2005-01-05T01:37:32-06:00 2005-01-05T01:37:32-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=786&p=4047#p4047 <![CDATA[Q-Q UTG]]> You'd have to make it fairly big though to make sure he's not drawing with AK.

If he calls the big raise or reraise...then I'm through with the hand unless a Queen pops up.

Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:37 am


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