Fold:The pot is not huge at this point and with the non-Broadway flop in a raised pot there's not likely to be a ton of action, unless your opponents are very aggressive or you are and they are calling stations. If you're going to continue you want to do so as cheaply as possible (until you make your hand). If even one of your opponents is aggressive and is going to stay (especially if one of the guys after you stays) you can't afford to stay as the price will be too high for a drawing hand, and with an aggressive opponent a lone K or Q can put you in a very uncomfortable situation. Plus without a bigger pot it doesn't make sense to stay for just one more card, so in this case I think folding would be the best choice. I think in most cases this will be the case, however....
Raise: On the other hand, I have played at enough tight/passive tables to recognize that this is a good situation to raise and see the showdown cheap or win it outright. For this option you need several more factors: You need to be quite sure the players after you will fold (or at least not cold call, as it would be an obvious fold if you are re-raised), you also need to have a good read on the CO. If he is highly aggressive or maniacal you cannot raise, as you don't have a reasonable chance of him folding or checking the turn to you, which is essential factor. But, if the CO will become passive after your flop raise and has a reasonable chance of paying you off if you do hit OR folding to further aggression then I believe a raise is the best choice.
A raise to say $8 or $10 has good fold equity (esp since you raised pf), and buys either a free river card or good chance of taking if down on the turn (choosing between the two is matter of determining if you opponent is calling station passive or weak/tight passive). This play is a little more risky, but I think it works often enough on the right table to be a viable option.[/quote]
Statistics: Posted by McMonkey — Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:23 am
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On the flop, you have an $10 pot to call $2 into which is actually giving you your precise odds to call a bet (5.06-1 for a four outer), and if you hit a King or Queen, you might also be good here. But I would have looked at one card here for my Jack and then been done w/ the hand probably. Your implied odds shoot through the roof when such a passive player like the CO is calling all the way down w/ a straight here; I think you double up on this hand minimum if you call that flop bet...but obviously, you fold to a big raise from the people behind you.
With those two guys as the large stacks, it must have gotten better for you there.
Statistics: Posted by Danhdan — Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:19 am
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Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:09 am
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)
BB ($35.45)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($28.1)
MP2 ($23.75)
DODGYKEN ($25)
CO ($79)
Button ($22.42)
SB ($91.9)
Preflop: DODGYKEN is MP3 with
![[Qs]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qs.gif "The Queen of Spades")
, ![[Kd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kd.gif "The King of Diamonds")
. SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, DODGYKEN raises to $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB folds.
Flop: ($8.50)
![[9s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9s.gif "The Nine of Spades")
, ![[Td]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Td.gif "The Ten of Diamonds")
, ![[3h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3h.gif "The Three of Hearts")
(4 players)SB bets $2, DODGYKEN folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2.
Turn: ($14.50)
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
(3 players)SB bets $5, CO calls $5, Button folds.
River: ($24.50)
![[6c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6c.gif "The Six of Clubs")
(2 players)SB bets $2, CO calls $2.
Final Pot: $28.50
Results in white below:
CO has 7s 8s (straight, jack high).
SB has Ah Th (one pair, tens).
Outcome: CO wins $28.50.
Thanks,
Martin
Statistics: Posted by DODGYKEN — Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:03 am
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