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In this case I'd probably call instead of push all-in. Since he DID call an all-in with TT I consider the folding equity too low to push here, so I want to see a flop. If I flop an Ace or King I am check-raising all-in, if I flop a flush-draw I might bet all-in immediatly since I want him to have a chance to fold a complete miss (if I check/raise he will be committed and he can afford to call).
Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:24 pm
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While it wouldn't suprise me to see something like 88-JJ 30-50% of the time, I think it's going to be a +EV play against this type of player in the long run. If you're not playing in SnGs that are beyond your BR, I think this is a good opportunity to get a lot of chips early. If he has even a pair and I don't improve, I just tip my hat and move on, but I can't lay down this hand since there are really only two hands I'm scared of and a good chance he has a dominated hand. Just my $0.02.
Statistics: Posted by GlassJoe — Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:46 pm
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Statistics: Posted by shoesnatcher — Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:46 pm
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Statistics: Posted by flafishy — Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:25 am
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Bottom line, I think a call is the absolute worst option. I would prefer a fold, but I wouldn't argue too vehemently against a push.
Statistics: Posted by flafishy — Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:41 pm
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If, however, I did call and hit an A or K, I'm check-raising or check-calling him (depending on how scary the board is) and will try to get all my chips in with TPTK against a guy like this.
Of course, I play at Party, and even though though I've been playing lately at the $100 tables and you start with 1000 chips instead of 800 chips, the blinds are still relatively out of control by the time we're five- or six-handed, and doubling up early is a huge advantage.
There's no way this guy is raising like this with AA and KK. He'd make it much less expensive to get in. That's why I'll push AKs against him, because I'm at worse a "coinflip" and at best (and I'd say more likely) dominating him. He may make a similar raise with 44-88, as well, and even he may be able to get off this hand, though I doubt it. I'm willing to take my chances at him when I'm likely best, though, because he will give his chips away sooner or later.
All of my advice on this hand is based on the prototypical maniac, though, that way overbets and sometimes has a mountain of chips early. I would not play it this way against a reasonable PF raise or a reasonable player.
Statistics: Posted by GlassJoe — Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:19 pm
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Be very willing to let go of this hand if you miss the flop. If you hit the flop, it depends on your opponent quite a bit. Aggressive opponents who will bet if you check, you should probably checkraise. Passive opponents you should bet into (if they raise you, you're probably able to fold it).
If you're playing lower stakes ($10s or $20s), then treat TPTK with AK like it's the nuts if there's no flush, straight, or paired board out there.
Statistics: Posted by Nashvegas — Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:57 pm
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Think about it. Why would you call this raise, anyway (as opposed to reraising)? Because you have a strong hand, but you're not sure if it's going to be good against the hand of the raiser and you want to see a flop? That's all I can think of. But you're putting yourself at a severe disadvantage -- no matter what the flop, you will have no real idea whether it hit your opponent or not, and you have to act first. Why put yourself in that position, especially in the shadowboxing stages of the tournament?
Statistics: Posted by flafishy — Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:34 pm
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What do you do if you flop a King and:
First, if a K or A comes off, I will probably check raise all in, depending on the board. If there are draws I will lead.
a. Bet pot and he calls... Turn play...
Push.
b. Bet pot and he raises allin...
Call.
What do you do if you flop nothing:
a. Check and he bets pot at you...
Fold.
b. Check and he bets weakly into you...
Depending on how weak.. if we are talking the minimum bet of course I'm calling. I would call 1/3 pot, but a lot depends on my stack size and future maneuverability.
c. Bet and he calls...
I wouldn't bet, but I would let him have the hand assuming an unimproved turn.
d. Bet and he raises...
Fold.
Statistics: Posted by bensberg — Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:27 pm
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![[Js]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Js.gif "The Jack of Spades")
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Damn, knew I should've listened to Nash... But, to those who promote calling...
What do you do if you flop a King and:
a. Bet pot and he calls... Turn play...
b. Bet pot and he raises allin...
What do you do if you flop nothing:
a. Check and he bets pot at you...
b. Check and he bets weakly into you...
c. Bet and he calls...
d. Bet and he raises...
Sorry for all the questions...
Statistics: Posted by MVPSPORTS — Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:45 pm
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