I have not been writing much, as my knew-I-had-it-but-just-diagnosed-yesterday-diabetes, has left me unable to do much.
But, with my medication, I'm feeling a lot better. Now, after being hit with that diagnosis, I'm today hit with the closing of MY section.
Anyway, Freshwater please understand that I like you, but like a beloved child gone astray, sometimes a HARSH correcting is in order.
Well, let's go with KINDA stern: You messed up here!
B ut, I'm not entirely blaming you. Popular fokelore, assignes MUCH MUCH more value, to ace king, suited or otherwise-than the hand actually merrits
The FIRST lesson you must learn, in tournametn poker, is the fact that there is nothing powerful, or very special, about ace king.
Yes, it's usually playable, but it is NOT not, a thousand times NOT a hand to get involved with, when you have a big stack, and you are NOT the aggressor.
In actuality, the best and real use of ace king, is really just a big fat SEMI BLUFF! yeah, some armchair experts will not see the truth in this, and I won't even waste my time arguing with them.
YUP! tha's exactly what you got: a semi bluff!! when you raise or reraise with AK, you are attempting to represent a big pair, with the following two factors in your favor:
(1) By posessing both an ace and a king, the chances of anyone holding AA or KK have gone down
NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE
uh . . . . .. .but they AIN'T been elimatnated. I had to mention this, because from the way I see people play this hand, they seem to think that it is now IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to actually have "the real deal" just because they hold ONE ace, and ONE king!!
(2) in the event you are called, you may still flop a big pair, and if so will usually then have the best hand.
Becaue of the fact that AK's main strength is as a semi bluff, it is important to NOT be the caller, but rather the aggressor. If you smooth call someone, there goes your chance to win the pot outright, and thus win with the semi bluff.
Well, my friend, there's just went MOST of your power. Now, you gotta hit something, or hope that your opponent did not.
This is like loading a 30 shot M16 magizine, with only 10 shots: you are giving up your firepower.
Ok, that's enough about AK in general, now we'll look at it, in the specific situation you described.
First thing to understand: non pairs, are an EARLY stage tournament hand. This is important to know. When the money is still light years away (or at least in the minds of the gamble up, I'm never gonna win anyway-type players) the value of something like Ace king, goes WAY up.
This is because you can expect ACTIO"N, when you hit the flop.
If the flop comes: A 2 8, you can expect lower kickers, middle pairs, etc. to give action.
But, on the "bubble" (God, how I hate using other people's terms) The willingness to call without a big hand, goes way WAY down.
Very important! The object is not to win the hand, but to win MONEY on the hand!
So, in the final stages of the tournemnt, if you have a nice flop for your ace king, such as:
A 2 7, It is not realitic to expect that you will get any more action
Unless of course you run into a hand that beats you, or at BEST ties you.
This is why pairs, and pretty much ONLY pairs, are what you are looking for at the final stages.
Pairs make sets, and sets are nice and stealthy!!
So, let's say the original opener had QQ. now, if you hit your hand, he (she) is NOT going to call, unless they have a set.
But, had you had something like 77, and make a set, you'll likely bust out the QQ hand.
with your stack at 50x bb, you COULD do a little gambling, but it should have been with a different type of hand.
even something like 87s, would lhave been better in this spot, because of the fact that
(1) it's probably won't be domintated
(2) You may get good action, from someone not expecting that anyone would call with "TH"OSE" kind of cards.
Now, don't get me wrong, calling 2500 out of a 40K stack, with AK SUITED, was not "bad".
But only if you are prepared to stay in after the flop, only with a GREAT flop.
There just was no need to gamble here. You must RECONDITI"ON your thinking, away from thinking just about the hand you have. You must think about the situation.
yeah, yeah, suited aces kings look very nice. But if you look at the complete picture, you will see that things really don't look very good.
(1) someone else showed strength, in a spot where the majority of the players would NOT come in, without something that was not BETTER than AK, or tied it.
(2) You had players behind you, and they may come over the top.
(3) you have a type of hand, that when it hits, the only action you can get, is from a better hand! No stealth value
(4) You have a giant stack, and there was no need to get involved.
Ok now, again I don't want to pick, BUT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING! calling the flop!
Pot odds, meanth NOTHING here, because of the high likely hood, that if you hit, the card would improve the bettor to two pair, or that they had something REALLY big, better than anything you could make.
Remember, Fresh at this point the only words going on inside the minds of your opponets are
I DON'T WANNA BE BUBBLE BOY I DON'T WANNA BE BUBBLE BOY
So, for someone to bet out into the preflop raisor, and a caller, probably meant that you were looking a a BIG hand, or one that would make two pair if you hit your ace, or maybe your king.
Possible hands include AJ, JJ slowplay of KK or AA or of course the 99 that you ran into.
and, let's not forget that almost 7-1, against even hitting A or K on turn.
So, ATE would have either folded the AKs, or reraised to about 7500, depending on what notes and/or observations I had about the original raiser.
But, having just called, there is no way I would have gotten involved after the flop.
Get into the money first, then worry about building up more chips.
Hope this helped,
AdamStatistics: Posted by AdamtheExpert — Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:45 am
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