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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2004-12-05T13:57:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=8&t=343&mode 2004-12-05T13:57:24-06:00 2004-12-05T13:57:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1526#p1526 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]> Statistics: Posted by cellphones — Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:57 pm

]]> 2004-12-05T13:21:28-06:00 2004-12-05T13:21:28-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1524#p1524 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]> Statistics: Posted by Kalle — Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:21 pm

]]> 2004-12-05T12:44:24-06:00 2004-12-05T12:44:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1520#p1520 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:44 pm

]]> 2004-12-05T09:07:04-06:00 2004-12-05T09:07:04-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1515#p1515 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]>
But I think this is a very interesting tournament hand and I have some comments to it. You didn’t play it well but you already know that... I am not a great tournament player myself but there are some obvious mistakes here.

First I would raise before the flop. I know that Cloutier writes that raising hands in early position are “queens or better, not jacks or better”, but at this time of the tournament I would raise. With jacks you don’t want the other players to see a cheap flop with mediocre holdings. If I raised to 900 I would be pot committed if seat 5 or 9 nine decided to push. If one of the other players played back at me I would fold if the reraise was too big. A raise to 600 wouldn’t commit me to the pot but it would let the BB and hands like AQ and KQ get in for cheap. But a limp is also fine if you don’t fell comfortable on the flop if it contains an overcard (one or more overcards to your jacks will flop 57 % of the time).
When the flop doesn’t contain overcards and the BB leads out with a minimumraise I think the best move is to reraise to 900 or 1200. It is not likely that the flop helped the shortstack behind you though it is possible he flopped a set. The big blind can have any hand - if I was big blind I would bet this flop with a lot of hands that JJ could beat. Most of the times JJ will be the best hand on this flop. The other players don’t put you on a big pair since you didn’t raise before the flop.
The 5 on the turn has probably not helped anyone and the big blind makes another minimumraise. This is a play a lot of average tournament players make: A small raise on flop and a small raise on turn. 9 out of 10 times this indicates that the player has a weak hand (here I would put him on a hand like T7, Q8 or KQ). The player want to see the river but he doesn’t want to commit too many of his chips. It is similar to the “blocking bets” Iceman describes, but here made on flop and turn. Most of the times you can make the player fold with a reraise (I have to know the player I am up against to do this). If there wasn’t a shortstack sitting behind me I would make a big reraise (900-1500) with a lot of hands (a pair of 6's, ace high, gutshot draw). With the shortstack behind me I would still make a big reraise with JJ.
The big blinds bet on river indicates that the river helped him and I think a call here is the best move because both of you have a big stack and you don’t want to loose 5000 of your chips if he has a straight.
The hand shows how important it is to be the aggressor. The big blinds weak lead gave him a cheap draw to his 8 outer. A raise on flop or turn will probably make him fold and if he calls you can just check the river.
I don’t know if you have decided to quit poker but if you are still going to play I agree with Nashvegas that you must play more aggressive. I have uninstalled my poker programs several times but I am still playing (and winning most of the time).

Statistics: Posted by Kalle — Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:07 am

]]> 2004-12-03T23:25:13-06:00 2004-12-03T23:25:13-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1441#p1441 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]> Statistics: Posted by eDgar — Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:25 pm

]]> 2004-12-03T22:38:20-06:00 2004-12-03T22:38:20-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1436#p1436 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]> Statistics: Posted by cellphones — Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:38 pm

]]> 2004-12-03T21:27:08-06:00 2004-12-03T21:27:08-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&p=1433#p1433 <![CDATA[Bad Beat or bad misread?]]>
***** Hand History for Game 1255934049 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7631196 Level:8 Blinds (150/300) - Friday, December 03, 22:16:30 EDT 2004
Table Multi-Table(152872) Table #5 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: rubnisracn ( $4368 )
Seat 2: cellphones ( $7950 )
Seat 3: capadp ( $4625 )
Seat 4: fishingchr1s ( $4875 )
Seat 5: holy_smokes ( $2400 )
Seat 6: tree_hugger ( $5856 )
Seat 7: Gumba039 ( $4194 )
Seat 8: oldman ( $8642 )
Seat 9: pamela03 ( $1645 )
Seat 10: vintageruth ( $6070 )
Trny:7631196 Level:8
Blinds (150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cellphones [ Jh Jc ]
rubnisracn folds.
cellphones calls [300].
capadp folds.
fishingchr1s folds.
holy_smokes calls [300].
tree_hugger folds.
Gumba039 folds.
oldman folds.
pamela03 folds.
vintageruth checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 6d, Th ]
vintageruth bets [300].
cellphones calls [300].
holy_smokes calls [300].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
vintageruth bets [300].
cellphones calls [300].
holy_smokes folds.
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
There will be a break in 1 minute(s)
vintageruth bets [1000].
cellphones is all-In.
vintageruth is all-In.
vintageruth shows [ Qc, Kh ] a straight, nine to king.
cellphones shows [ Jh, Jc ] three of a kind, jacks.
cellphones wins 1880 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
vintageruth wins 12890 chips from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.

Statistics: Posted by cellphones — Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:27 pm

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