You can make that move in the SB with a tighter table that generally likes to see flops cheap and will fold to a raise when limping. Anyway, you had a free flop with a hand that can make a low straight, so why not take the freebie?
On the flop, I dont like betting out of position on a pure bluff into a crowd. I just think there are much better spots. You played the hand fine and won exactly what you would have won if you raised preflop and everyone folded.
Whats the problem? If you had bet on any street and gotten called you were beat and probably would have had to give up the hand.
Statistics: Posted by MrOban — Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:26 am
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I was merely saying than anyone in the hand with a straight draw like A Q could have taken that pot from me with one bet at the flop, and I would have folded.
They LET me stay in the pot, and I won it.
Monk, ouch.
I may not have a lot of experience with poker, or writing the kind of well thought out, informative posts that you do, but I was just trying to share what I thought was a fun hand for me, and maybe getting some input on my play.
As for going from BB to button, thanks for pointing that out, I did make a mistake there.
Edited to make a little more sense, now.
Statistics: Posted by low dough — Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:23 am
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Again, I apologise if I'm not getting something here, but this seems very suspicious to me...
Monk
xxxxx
Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:14 am
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From the way the post was written, if not the rather dubious logic, I had assumed this was genuine. I guess we will see, if he responds to being called a troll!
Statistics: Posted by Telemachus — Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:45 am
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The only time I would be raising my BB with this in this spot would be if I was absolutely convinced my opponents were sophisticated enough to fold unless they had monsters, and that they had seen enough of me to out me on a tight table image. Neither of these apply this early in a tourney or at this level. The only the reason to raise here is for value- and you get no value for raising with crap like that.
Following from that, in my opinion, it would have been madness to try and steal a relatively small pot with 4 other people in it with nothing, especially out of position. Do not bluff these people, especially when there are so many. You will get called with junk but, in this case, their junk will be better than yours. Even when you hit your 4 on the turn, there is still no way I am betting here- think how many limpable hands would have you by the nuts- any pocket pair better than 4s, any 6, any K or J- I would be most worried that someone had limped with KQ or J10 here. You were also right not to bet on the river, where that bet would only have been called by a hand that beats you.
So, in conclusion, I think what you did was right. However, your thoughts as to how you could have played it better are, in my opinion, incorrect. You can only limp, check/fold here, and wait for a far better spot, where you have position and, hopefully, a hand.
Statistics: Posted by Telemachus — Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:16 am
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![[4s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4s.gif "The Four of Spades")
(2 4 offsuit?)The first 2 hands had pots of 200-400 with the blinds being 15/30.
3 limpers, and SB completes, I just check to see the flop (first mistake?)
I know I should lead out in hands I want to play to isolate the field to just a few players.
Flop brings
![[Kc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kc.gif "The King of Clubs")
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
![[6d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6d.gif "The Six of Diamonds")
, I checked, and It check thru ( second mistake?)I have played some of these people before, and have seen them slow play sets and 2 pair to the turn, so I am sure I am beaten.
Turn brings
![[4h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4h.gif "The Four of Hearts")
, I check , one person just folds(?), and the rest check to me, (third mistake?)I now have a pair, but I coud be beaten by any paired card, 56o has me beat.
River brings
![[3s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3s.gif "The Three of Spades")
, I check, knowing I am beat.(fourth mistake?)and 3 checks to me,
Now I am starting to giggle, thinking I might just be against people chasing straights and flushes, and they missed, but had I bet, I risk more chips with such a small hand.
Results, everyone mucks, and I take the hand with my pair of 4s.
I laugh, and then I start thinking, that If I had shown aggression, a big reraise at any street would make me fold. (mistake #5?)
Any thoughts?
Statistics: Posted by low dough — Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:10 pm
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