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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2006-01-30T08:55:50-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=8&t=8075&mode 2006-01-30T08:55:50-06:00 2006-01-30T08:55:50-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=82613#p82613 <![CDATA[What is M?]]> Statistics: Posted by scarface — Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:55 am


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2005-12-22T09:07:19-06:00 2005-12-22T09:07:19-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=73351#p73351 <![CDATA[What is M?]]> Statistics: Posted by Macallan — Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:07 am


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2005-12-21T03:35:53-06:00 2005-12-21T03:35:53-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=73085#p73085 <![CDATA[What is M?]]> Statistics: Posted by Cactus Jack — Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:35 am


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2005-12-20T07:51:28-06:00 2005-12-20T07:51:28-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=72844#p72844 <![CDATA[What is M?]]>
First, I agree with HOH 1 & 2 being awesome books on NL tourney play, but I have found that they have improved my cash game play as well. What I learned about heads-up strategy alone will probably pay for the cost of the books (I was shocked to read that section and learn that I was basically a heads-up donkey).

I have read and tried to follow the advice in TexasKowboy's article on MTT play. It helped me reach a final table after a long dry spell. However, in light of HOH, the advice about staying tight passive until the blinds reach 50/100 doesn't sit well with me. If you start with t1000 and you wait until the blinds reach 50/100 (after the first break on Party), then you will be down to about t825 by the time that happens (depending on the pace of play at your table, maybe a little more, like t900, maybe less). This is assuming you just fold for the first hour, which is entirely possible if you don't happen to pick up something in the first 40-50 hands. You have even less if you see a flop or two, and miss and have to lay down your hand. But let's say that you are playing really tight, so tight that you might as well be auto-folding ("If you're playing online you can click 'auto fold' and often be better off before the end of this stage if you can't play in the passive/aggressive style."), you may be between t825 and t900.

This would mean that you have voluntarily waited until your M is between around 5.5 to 6 before you open up your game. You're in Harrington's Orange Zone before you really start playing. Play one hand and lose, and you're in the Red Zone (at best)!

So finally, the question in all this: what starting chip count did TexasKowboy have in mind when choosing the 50/100 level as the threshold for opening up your style into tight-aggressive?

Statistics: Posted by Macallan — Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:51 am


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2005-11-07T14:57:07-06:00 2005-11-07T14:57:07-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=62199#p62199 <![CDATA[What is M?]]>
First in "vigorish" (as Dan calls it) makes a huge difference here as you are gaining fold equity by pushing. It puts your opponent to the toughest possible decision. You win when your opponents fold the worst hand, you win when you make them fold a better hand AND you win when you're called and either have a better hand or you suckout. If you review ICM calculations you'll see that pushing marginal hands is much more +EV than you would originally think. I know after playing with SNGPT for just a short while my game on the bubble improved dramatically just due to having more confidence in pushing marginal hands in the right situations. Knowing those situations is a different beast, completely, and only comes with experience.

And you're also right about HOH 1 & 2 being the best books on NL tournament play ever written. Anyone who plays MTTs that hasn't read these books is really putting themself at a disadvantage. I highly recommend them both.

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2005-11-01T08:00:27-06:00 2005-11-01T08:00:27-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=60334#p60334 <![CDATA[What is M?]]> Statistics: Posted by JDLush — Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:00 am


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2005-10-29T11:54:37-06:00 2005-10-29T11:54:37-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=59713#p59713 <![CDATA[What is M?]]> Statistics: Posted by Twelver — Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:54 am


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2005-10-29T04:57:06-06:00 2005-10-29T04:57:06-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=59641#p59641 <![CDATA[What is M?]]>

M is a ratio of your stack vs. the blinds.

If you have 6,000 chips early on and the blinds are 100/200, you have an M of 20. This puts you in what Harrington describes as the Green Zone. You're in great shape and can make some moves without too much concern. However, make a call and fold and you're immediately into the Yellow Zone, in which you have less room to maneuver.

Later, you've got 8,000TC and the blinds are 250/500 with an ante of 50. Now, the pot is 1200 and you've got an M of between 6 and 7--or you can play 6 more orbits before you're blinded out, as long as the blinds don't go up during that time. You're in the Orange Zone and you need to do something soon. You still have some fold equity for your all in, but not as much as you think.

You're up to 10,000TC and the blinds are 1000/2000 and antes are 50. The pot is 3450. Your M is less than 3--the Red Zone. Brother, you better push the first semi-decent hand that comes your way because you're about to be sent packing by the ever increasing blinds. You have 0 fold equity. People are just waiting for you to bust out. All in when you are first to bet, even with air. One more orbit and you're in the Dead Zone, where the blinds put you all in.

That's it, quick and dirty. It's something every tournament player must keep in mind during play. The blinds are the ever-increasing driving force and you must keep your M up if you're planning on being around for long. When the blind increases, you're M is cut in half, every time. Gather chips, gentleman, cause the blinds are coming at you from behind. Remember, too, that you're opponents also have an M, even if they aren't aware of it.

Every decision you make in a tournament is governed by your stack size, in relation to the blinds. How you play in each zone is where the debate begins.

More later, gotta go to work.

CJ

Statistics: Posted by Cactus Jack — Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:57 am


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