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Postby UWPg » Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:55 am

Below you'll find the transcripts of four hands I lost yesterday.
As a beginner I would love to hear some comments how to improve my postflop game.

1) I'm unsure about this one I think betting on the Flop was right but I'm unsure about the turn. Should I've checked?

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [6d], [Jc].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) [7s], [6c], [4c] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [Jh] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, SB folds.

River: (6.50 BB) [Qs] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.


Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 6d Jc (two pair, jacks and sixes).
MP3 has 7d Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: MP3 wins 8.50 BB.


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2) Should I've seen that the MP3 has an ace after the reraise on the Flop and call or even fold?

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Ts], [Qs].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) [8s], [3s], [Ks] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) [Kc] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) [5s] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below:
MP3 has 8d As (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ts Qs (flush, king high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 11.50 BB.


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3)I think i played this right because the odds that he would get his trips was the same that i woud get AAA. Should I've checked or folded on the river?

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Ad], [Ac].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, Button calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) [9d], [Qd], [Tc] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) [Js] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (9.75 BB) [7c] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ac (one pair, aces).
Button has 7d 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Button wins 11.75 BB.


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4) Here I'm unsure if reraising on the River was right?

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [3c], [Th].
1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) [3d], [8c], [4c] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (3 BB) [3h] (3 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5 BB) [9h] (3 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 3c Th (three of a kind, threes).
CO doesn't show.
Button has 9c 9d (full house, nines full of threes).
Outcome: Button wins 13 BB.


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Thanks in advance

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Postby piersmajestyk » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:41 am

Hand 1.

I would not have led into the field with your middle pair weak kicker there. There are just too many folks in the pot and two many ways you are already behind or will be on the turn. Check this and fold if some bets.

Playing it how you did I would not have checked the river with my two pair. Of course I would have lost another bet probably from a raise but still with this ragged board and past action I am not checking my two pair here.


Hand 2.

Honestly I probably would have already hit check fold for this hand :lol: But when playing it and hitting the second nut I would have just called the bet on the flop in hopes of getting some others to call as well to build my pot if another spade doesn't come or someone get lucky for a boat. By just calling you are enticing someone perhaps just holding the J or 10 of spades to come along while drawing dead where they are likely to fold to your flop raise.

Your turn and river check were ok as he could have a boat after all of his flop betting and/or his A high flush on the river.

Hand 3.

Fine. Button is terrrible here.

Hand 4.

Why call the flop here? You have bottom pair shit kicker. But when you do and hit trips by all means go for the CR here on the turn. I don't like your three bet on the river either. This guy only calls your turn lead after betting flop sounds like a small overpair to me and now he raises you on the river. I think I would have only called instead of 3 betting here. But the main problem here is that you did not fold on the flop and it just compounded your problems by river time. In small pots there is no need to get involved with bottom and middle pairs MOST of the time. Just fold and get on with the next hand.
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Postby briachek » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:53 pm

Hand 1, I actually like how you played it, but these kind of plays will add variance to your play as people with draws won't drop and there's a decent chance a 7 is out there and too many people can't drop top pair. Therefore, I'm on the fence playing it like you did or like piers said. I would have still bet out the river though and called a raise.

Hand 2. I would have called the flop and popped it up on the turn. If the last card wasn't a spade, I would bet, but check call that river.

Hand 3. This is why we make money (usually, not me at the moment). He hit is perfect card at the river and he still didn't raise. If you aren't gonna raise when you hit what you want, you shouldn't be in the hand. If he thought the set would be good, he should raise when he hit it but if he didn't, he should have folded long before the river. Tough break, just move on and note him.

Hand 4. check fold the flop, but once you call, go for the check raise on the river. Bet the river and then just call the raise because if he put you on trips and he's raising, he's got you. Just avoid the whole situation by folding the flop. Only piers can play that junk and win consistently. :lol:
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Postby Hofstra » Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:26 pm

Piers, just a question about what you said about hand 1. I know that 5 players is a large field, but I would lead out from the BB on this flop anytime; it is a flop that scares everyone, especially people with just a 7 or an overpair, and when the BB leads out it means pair+2-sided straight draw or 2 pair. It makes it very hard for people with a medium pair or tptk to continue. If you get raised, you can drop it, since then you are probably behind to someone with a real hand (probably there are no overpairs, since it was not raised preflop), like a set. (Except when you know that the raiser would play his straight draw that aggressively.) If you get called, then that probably means a straight draw, but that makes turn play easy; if a straight card hits, you check-fold, and otherwise you bet. If you improve, as in the hand, you can check-raise.
To me this is the ideal situation in which your own cards don't matter much and in which your opponents should give you credit for a strong hand.

If you think this is no good reasoning, can you explain why?

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Postby piersmajestyk » Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:09 am

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Postby Hofstra » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:19 pm

Piers, I'm not convinced yet.

1) Ok my hand sucks, but I think this is a situation in which your own hand doesn't matter much, since you're not aiming for a showdown.
2) True. But it is very unlikely that more than two of them have hands strong enough to continue. As I said, if you get raised then you drop it, unless someone is playing his draws aggressively. If you get called, then it is most likely by a draw.
3) Never played at Party, but I did play a lot of .5/1 and it often worked for me.
4) True, but in this case that seems like a good thing to me, since the flop is a typical one to hit the BB hard.
5) True as well. That means that people with strong draws (nut flush) will be justified in calling. It also means that it is very easy to see on the turn if they hit or not. I wouldn't be very afraid of the straight draw, because of the flush draw.
6) On the turn I'm happy with any non-club which doesn't make the straight, except for an ace perhaps, because that is likely to hit someone drawing to the nut flush. Any other card and the drawing hands are still drawing. And if you're up against only one caller, then he is most likely not drawing to the straight, so the straight card would not be a disaster.

This play only has to work about one in six times to make it profitable. If you play this hand ten times, I'd guess that one time you just steal the pot, about three times you get raised off your hand, and the remaining six times you get called in one or two places. The the pot consists of 7-8 small bets. If a good turn card comes, your opponent could continue with the nut flush draw, but definately not with the straight draw. If you can take the pot there in 10% of the cases, I think you have a +EV play.

Of course if your opponents seem unaware of odds or are only playing their own cards then this would be ill-advised. But against semi-decent players I would always give it a shot.

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