I had already doubled my buy in and was soon to quit. This was a very short session (under 40 hands) so my information on opponents (SB was in his first rotation) was pretty much nil. UTG+1 was also so new he hadn't shown up on pahud yet.

(10 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) Q, K, T (4 players)
SB bets, Hero ?

My thinking wound up being alot like Beavis'. That was a primary factor in my leaving the game a few hands later. Poker Stove has me at just over 50% to win this hand against 2 random hands (with 3.5% chance to split pot ) after the flop.

I have one of those hands the book calls 'trouble hands'. I think they mean 'easily dominated'. The pot is small. If I'm behind where I fold I need at least 10 outs to justify a call (minus implied odds) and if I'm behind I'm not sure they are there (2 sure and maybe 3 '7's, 3J maybe the fourth is ok, not sure about the 2K at all and if the jack falls then a 9 or an A help. So 1 out for the RR straights, and if you take the aggressive route, count the K's as 'good' and ignore the 'flush' you get 10 outs. With implied odds it's probably at or about 10 even if you take a more conservative course and knock off 2-3 outs. So calling when behind is 'ok' especially when factoring in you may well be ahead (50% says PokerStove). So i guess the math indicates it was a 'bad fold' from a money making point of view. 50% is a lot of equity in a 3 way pot.

I didn't like my position. I'm getting squeezed every round I play against both and I'm acting first if the SB folds. Only if the UTG+1 folds do I have position. The pot was small and I was up 12.5BB in about 30 mins. All I was seeing was the 'bad cards'. The pot was small and it would cost a lot (relatively) to win.

If I had played on I would have raised to try to knock out somebody. Even if reraised I don't think I fold and I probably lead into the raiser or at least call providing a blank falls on the turn. Since this indicates I'm not willing to use 'info' gained by raising the flop maybe Beavis' method has more merit than the standard raise? Maybe I need to raise or CR a blank on the turn? The only problem I see with playing it that way is if I am ahead it's with TPLK unless I get a 'good K' or hit my 7. It gets harder and harder to 'justify' raising that hand on the turn especially when SB could be calling with any 2 suited so combos like Qxs are possible and QT is even more possible from either hand.

I'd really like to know what you guys' philosophy is on these TPLK hands in multiway pots. I think they are a bitch to play well but they are probably a great source of income if played well and a big hole if played badly.

I disagree that there are very few cards you dont want to see. There are 15 which make a straight or flush possible, which are a lot, but still make you the favourite if you have the current best hand. SB can be leading out with a pretty decent range of hands including draws and worse pairs. On average i think your lack of kicker is not going to be an issue often enough to make the raise profitable. My concern here wouldnt be the SB, but the ep limper. You need to raise to get him out or find out whether he has a decent hand.

I agree, roadhouse, that EP was my main concern if only because of his position. I also can see limping in SB with some very strong hands here. I sometimes make that play with AKo or suited or AA with only BB or one limper. Beavis said there were very few cards you want to see on the turn. There are alot of cards I wouldn't have been thrilled to see. The 9 spades, of course, the remaining 3A, 3J and 9's although necessary for my 'straight' are ties at best (1/3 of the pot for runner runner on this hand, busted if only a 9 or an A falls). The T's and Q's aren't happy cards (they bust me in this particular hand). I have 21 'safe cards'[all non-spades from 8-2 and both K]. It wouldn't be so bad if I knew I'd fold to any action if the 9-A scare cards fell, but I'm not that type of player so far and wouldn't have put both villiains on a straits. My reason for posting this hand is to find out how many (if any) fold this type of hand here(to a flop bet). Not necessarily all the time but if at all, how often?

I agree about raising the flop if you play the hand. What if one or both are agg and I get (nightmare scenario) reraise and cap? I'm not sure I fold here but long term is that the correct play? Do you continue? If you just get called by one or both(back on the flop raise) and a blank falls on the turn you have to lead out to protect your hand, I think. What happens if you get raised there(on turn) or raised and reraised? The simple answer is 'that's why it's called gambling' and of course that is true but if we are going to be 'selectively aggressive' we have to pick our spots. How good a spot is TPLK on a board with a medium dangerous flop texture?

EP held QJ while SB had JT with one spade. 5d was the turn and 2c was the river so if I had played my TP holds up. After the flop once my opponents hole cards are figured in I'm 45.6% to win and .6% to tie according to Pokerstove.

I agree, roadhouse, that EP was my main concern if only because of his position. I also can see limping in SB with some very strong hands here. I sometimes make that play with AKo or suited or AA with only BB or one limper. Beavis said there were very few cards you want to see on the turn. There are alot of cards I wouldn't have been thrilled to see. The 9 spades, of course, the remaining 3A, 3J and 9's although necessary for my 'straight' are ties at best (1/3 of the pot for runner runner on this hand, busted if only a 9 or an A falls). The T's and Q's aren't happy cards (they bust me in this particular hand). I have 21 'safe cards'[all non-spades from 8-2 and both K]. It wouldn't be so bad if I knew I'd fold to any action if the 9-A scare cards fell, but I'm not that type of player so far and wouldn't have put both villiains on a straits. My reason for posting this hand is to find out how many (if any) fold this type of hand here(to a flop bet). Not necessarily all the time but if at all, how often?

I agree about raising the flop if you play the hand. What if one or both are agg and I get (nightmare scenario) reraise and cap? I'm not sure I fold here but long term is that the correct play? Do you continue? If you just get called by one or both(back on the flop raise) and a blank falls on the turn you have to lead out to protect your hand, I think. What happens if you get raised there(on turn) or raised and reraised? The simple answer is 'that's why it's called gambling' and of course that is true but if we are going to be 'selectively aggressive' we have to pick our spots. How good a spot is TPLK on a board with a medium dangerous flop texture?

EP held QJ while SB had JT with one spade. 5d was the turn and 2c was the river so if I had played my TP holds up. After the flop once my opponents hole cards are figured in I'm 45.6% to win and .6% to tie according to Pokerstove.