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Postby Stelvask » Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:44 pm

I'm just writing this on here to get a few other oppinions. Sorry if this is all a little scattered, this was my friends hand.

Stars. .5/1 nl

Friend has a full stack of $100. both villains have a full stack. No reads on either player.

Villain 1 (V1) open limps. Friend limps in MP [2s][2c]. Villain 2 (V2) limps behind him. Both blinds play.
5 way pot. $5.
flop: [2d][5d][Js].

BB bets $1. V1 raises to $4. friend min reraises to $7. V2 cold calls. BB folds. V1 calls.
3 way turn. $27.

[6c]
V1 checks. Friend bets $25. V2 calls. V1 calls.

3 way river. $102.

[10h]
v1 checks. friend checks. V2 goes all for $67. V1 calls.

So here's the question. Is there any way in hell that you lay down your set of 2's? More importantly, what do you put V2 on?











Personally, i said there wasn't any way he could lay it down. Of course, he was behing a set of 5's the whole way from V2, and the masterful QJ from V1. He's convinced he should have laid it down, i say that's a terrible fold if he does. Any one other oppinions?
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Postby Yogadude » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:03 am

No way away giving the cards you describe...I do not think the hand was misplayed and think his check on the end shows some awareness.
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Postby briachek » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:45 pm

I agree about the river check. I'm probably all in on the river. Either way I couldn't drop it.

Also, I'm not a fan of the min raise on the flop. If he raised a decent amount and was called or raised (which might have happened since the pot got big enough) you would have a better idea what others had. Making it $7 just lets any draw in and you can't tell if they are trapping or just calling with tptk.

I can't really see not losing my stack here.
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Postby devilmollusk » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:12 pm

I agree you can't really get away from the bottom set with such an agreeable board, but is limping ducks from MP really a moneymaking play? I will almost never play deuces from anywhere but late position or an unraised blind.
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Postby briachek » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:31 pm

implied odds. He is paying $1 for a decent chance to get a $100 stack from one of his opponets which will happen a lot more often than him losing his own stack.
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Postby Yogadude » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:00 pm

FWIW I play all pairs from any position and will call raises even with the small pairs out of position. The only time I give up these pairs is when a very tight player raises and I may be head-up with him. If someobody makes it 4-5X the big blind I will usually call with any small pair so long as they have as many chips as me. If I have dueces and a player with $30 (in my .50/1.00 on Stars game) makes it $4-5 to go I wil lfold.

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