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NL $100 5-max - Two slim river calls

Postby Stoneburg » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:20 am

I've got a big stack ($200) and have been playing pretty aggressively and picking up a bunch of pots without a showdown. One guy just went bust and is sitting out so it is 4-handed. The average player is loose/passive.

#1
UTG with $84 limps and I have [Ah][Kh] on the button and pop it to $4 which is a standard raise. SB and limper both call.

Flop comes [Jh][9h][Jc]

Checked to me and I bet $10. UTG calls but SB gets out.

Turn is the [5s], UTG checks and I check behind.

River is the [4c], UTG now bets $10. I call.


#2
I have [8c][8s] and a $175 stack in the SB. Villain with $91 just posted in the CO and now open raises to $4. The button gets out but I call as does the BB who covers the table.

Flop comes [3h][9d][Kc]
I check, BB checks, raiser checks.

Turn is [2c] and is also checked around.

River is the [7d]

I check, BB fires $10, button folds. I call.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:23 am

Hand 1 - Looks good.

Hand 2 - I think the EV of this call is close to 0 but is probably on the side of it being a profitable call.
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Postby Notorious_JC » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:40 am

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Postby Zmej » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:33 pm

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:38 am

Zmej, regarding hand #1: When would you take a free card if you're going to bet here? I figure opponent is likely to have a J or a small pair like 88. If I bet and he has a J he will check/raise me off my big draw, if he has 88 he will probably fold. Do you think EV of semi-bluffing turn is greater than EV of taking the free card assuming we will fold to a check/raise and either call a bet or valuebet if we hit the river? Also, how do you play if you hit an A or K instead of the flush? To me it seemed easier to take the free card.

When he bets the river I think lower pairs are unlikely, he either has a J or he's busted with a heart or straight draw. The size of his river bet looks a bit like a busted draw to me.

#2
It seems unlikely (though not impossible) that BB would valuebet a 9 there. Nobody has a K for sure judging by the flop and turn action, and I would think a 9x hand would check behind. 97s seems to be the most likely hand that beats me. However, this looks like an *excellent* spot for BB to steal since I have checked 3 times and the preflop raiser has signalled he doesn't have anything.
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Postby Zmej » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:14 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:24 am

I don't have any numbers since the site I play on isn't compatible with PT, but I would say that if I raise preflop I will CB about 90% of the time on the flop, but I will often check the turn (with air, monsters, top pairs etc). I probably bet turn under 50% of the time when I get called on the flop.

My image will definetely be aggressive though, since I bet more often and bigger than the others.

I don't think he will fold QQ here, could fold TT and will probably fold 88-22 to a turn bet.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:10 pm

I don't think he has QQ or TT very often - he limped UTG and I know you said the players are loose/passive but most people will still almost definitely raise QQ and usually raise TT.
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Postby T-Rod » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:25 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:50 pm

Results:

#1
He had [Th][3h] and my AK high was good.

#2
He had QJo and my pair of 8's were good.
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