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Postby gsdavid » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:46 am

ok basically, i was away from poker for 2-3 weeks so im trying to get 10k hands(which should be several days since i get few k hands a day :D) before i got to 50$ NL
Im right now at 8PTBB over 15k hands mostly 6-9 tabling FR 25$ NL and i really wanna move up
my flop% is about 22% so its not nut peddling but its playing it quite safe(im 22/8-10 actually)
anyhow, ive got a few questions about a few two pairs(personally i am not fond of them, i make a bit more than a bb/two pair(as final hand on showdown) but i really hate them since they have mostly only 4 outs to improve)..anyhow ive got a question how can i protect them?, that is how to take pot down soon, possibly at flop but i want to avoid over betting the pot..

Hand 1:

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter


Pre-flop: (9 players) gsdavid21 is BB with 4♣ 3♠
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, gsdavid21 checks.


Flop: 8♣ 3♣ 4♠ ($1.5, 6 players)
SB checks, gsdavid21 checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $0.75, SB folds, gsdavid21 raises to $1.5, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.


Turn: 6♥ ($6, 3 players)
gsdavid21 bets $3, MP3 calls, CO calls.


River: Q♣ ($15, 3 players)
gsdavid21 checks, MP3 bets $4, CO calls, gsdavid21 calls.

MP3 shows [ Tc, 9c ] a flush, queen high.
CO doesnt show [ 9s, 8h ] a pair of eights.
gsdavid21 doesnt show [ 4c, 3s ] two pairs, fours and threes.
nsdadad wins $25.65 from the main pot with a flush, queen high.

To be honest check raise was stupid on the drawing board, but i was simply counting that button would bet here (eventhought it was unraised pot...so yes it was a mistake, leading here is much better..)

Now for some reason turn came as a scare card, dont know why, 25, 57s were quite unlikely, so i guess the mistake was to bet only half of the pot...
finally, the question is how should i protect this hand on flop(i wanna play it fast, expecially this small two pair)..unfortuantly even thought i be t2x the pot, CO called down to river with 89 giving the flush chaser good odds..should i have pushed the turn?


Hand 2:

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t0.10/t0.25
10 players
Converter


Pre-flop: (10 players) gsdavid21 is UTG+1 with A♣ T♣
UTG folds, gsdavid21 calls t0.25 (pot was t0.35), UTG+2 calls t0.25 (pot was t0.6), MP1 calls t0.25 (pot was t0.85), 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls t0.15 (pot was t1.1), BB (poster) checks.


Flop: J♦ 6♥ T♥ (t1.5, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, gsdavid21 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets t0.25, 2 folds, BB calls t0.25 (pot was t1.75), gsdavid21 raises to t0.51, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to t0.77, BB folds, gsdavid21 calls t0.26 (pot was t2.78).


Turn: A♠ (t3.29, 2 players)
gsdavid21 checks, MP1 bets t2, gsdavid21 raises to t4, MP1 calls t2 (pot was t9.29).


River: 4♣ (t11.29, 2 players)
gsdavid21 bets t5, MP1 calls t5 (pot was t16.29).
results in white below
gsdavid21 shows [ Ac, Tc ] two pairs, aces and tens.
MP1 shows [ Js, Jc ] three of a kind, jacks.
MP1 wins $20.24 from the main pot with three of a kind, jacks.
Chaz0524 has left the table.

on flop that 25c bet felt fishy, i was agressive on table and i guess he was counting that i would bump it back at least pot size at him..well i chose not to just to see his reaction..basically from my point of view he played it poorly and got rewared..he let me draw on a flush/str8 board..but the question is should i have slowed down and just called him down? since KQ could had easly beat me..
To be honest i thought he had AJ, and on turn he chose to chose to play it like he holds a ace and trap Ax like me...was the blocking bet on river ok? I had a good hand and i knew that if i get raised i can fold but i was afraid of getting AI if i check the river since he had double stack like me and my hand was not that strong...any way to play this one diferently? maybe bet the flop harder?

and lastly, is it normal to have one pair as a final hand losing? In average im losing a bb on pair as a final hand so im asking is this normal or can it be cut down to like positive 0 or something(it is eating away some of my profit)
tnx for input
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Postby dropthe72 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:07 am

Hand one: Lead pot, if you want to cr (which I wouldn't do), reraise more. On turn, either 3/4 or full pot it. As played, fold river.

Hand two: fold preflop, fold the flop.
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Postby Danhdan » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:24 pm

Hand 1: Yep, if you are going to CR, at least pot it. I would at least make it $3, maybe even $4 and win it right there.

Hand 2: Is that a tournament or a ring game? Either way I am tossing it preflop, and I'm not chasing on the flop either, I fold there too.
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Postby MHFlush » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:13 am

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Postby dropthe72 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:07 am

Hand one is a fold on the river, I mean look at the action. A flush card is bet and called before it's your turn to act. I think in this situation you would have the best hand with bottom two at best ten percent of the time. If the pot was 40 dollars I would expect a breakeven call.
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