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400nl FR - accidently put myself in a weird spot. jam turn?

Postby Stelvask » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:55 pm

So I decided to give 16 tabling a shot last night. Don't ask why i made this jump. I usually play 8 tables, and I should have gone to 10 or 12 first instead of flat doubling it. I could only handle it for 20 minutes or so before I had to drop down to 12 tabling, where I did ok.

Anyhow, at one point I was trying to resize the tables and make it so I could see my hand on each table at the same time.

As I was moving the table around, I accidentally clicked call on this table. This is just all to explain *why* i'm in this hand. Or you could just call me a preflop donkey, either way, onto the hand.

400nl. full ring on stars. UTG is ~18/9. Seems fairly solid. He seems to always CB when he's HU or 3-handed. Button is relatively new, never played with him before and I think he's been here for like 8 hands. effective stacks are $400
utg opens to $16. I misclick call with [5c][3c]. button calls.
$53 pot. 3-way. flop comes [Ac][7c][Td]. UTG bets $40. I raise to $120. Button cold calls. :( UTG folds.
$313 pot. Button has like $260 left. turns the [4h]. So now I've got a flush draw and a double gut shot. I'm against an opponent who seems to really like his hand, and i'm OOP. This, btw, is the exact reason you don't play hands like this

Jam this turn?
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Postby Xaston » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:56 pm

DO NOT JAM.
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Postby Stelvask » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:58 pm

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Postby Triple B » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:06 pm

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Villain: How?
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:12 am

I think you have no choice but to jam it. I would say hes gonna call 70% of the time but what else can you do?

You shove and he calls 70% and you still win 30% or so of those.
He folds 30%. He might just have AJ or something like [Qc][Jc] that he will fold alot.

You check and HE shoves. Calling his all in cant possibly be better. Folding sucks. Maybe if you knew he would try to slowplay and bet like 1/2 pot, check / calling would be better but I doubt hes gonna do that.

If my approx percentages are close to correct, the shove is +EV.
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Postby antneye » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:40 am

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Postby Xaston » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:30 am

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Postby Rhound50 » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:51 am

I dont think you really can jam the turn here. I think with villian having $260 left and the pot being $320 I dont think you have anywhere near 30% FE. Villain is almost getting the correct price with [Qc] [Jc], the cold call is a monster most of the time and even when its a draw you are getting called a good amount of the time. Check and consider check folding is the correct play here IMO. You also have that small chance that he does have [Qc] [Jc] and he checks behind and you get to see a free card.
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Postby Xaston » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:11 am

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Postby Xaston » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:45 pm

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Postby Stelvask » Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:06 pm

well, the important thing here is that I learned to be more careful when trying to jump in table #'s.

he insta called with 77. and for like the first time in a month, i actually hit one of these big draws when I had all my chips in, with the [2c] on the river.

definitely did not like this hand though, misclicking myself into a bad spot. bleh.
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