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400nl - Thoughts on my play with two pair

Postby Stelvask » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:58 pm

$400 nl. (edit/ full ring table) my second hand at the table. i've never played with UTG before. he has $275

UTG limps. MP limps. CO limps. i limp from the SB with [Js][9s]. BB checks.

5 way flop . $20 comes [Jd][Ts][9d]. i bet out $16. UTG raises to $40. it folds back to me and i push.

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Postby Danhdan » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:34 pm

If this is 6-max, I think this is probably the best move, if FR, I'm not sure. You are behind alot of hands that opponent might have limped in with here. Also, he might have a draw that is ahead of you as well or a tossup. I think you only get called here if you are in a 50/50 situation or are behind.

I might just call the flop and bet large on a blank turn. Still don't know what I would do if he pushed on the turn...might make a crying call.
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Postby Xaston » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:35 pm

Awful.
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Postby Bob314 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:17 pm

I think Danhdan has a really good point. While you have a pretty strong hand, with this board it isn't the kind of hand I'm looking to commit a stack with. Why did you move all in? It is a pretty big overbet and you're probably not going to get called by very much that you beat (which may be part of the reason xaston thinks its awful). Betting out isn't terrible, check-raising isn't a bad line either. Either way if it starts to look like I'm going to be commiting a good chunk or all of my stack to this hand I don't know that I'm very interested.
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Postby Xaston » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:07 pm

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Postby Danhdan » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:21 am

The argument for the push IMO would be the problem of having to play the hand OOP where half the cards that could come on the turn could make the decisions even tougher. But, the fact that the opponent might just be raising for a free card might make playing this fast on the turn for a blank a little better. If there was any type of read, this would be easier, but the fact remains that against a random player who hasn't proven himself a donk, he either has a big hand or a big draw in this spot. Therefore waiting for a safe turn card might be the best bet for the less risk averse of us.

I think the real problem is the UTG position. If he has any flush draw, then you are a small favorite, but if your opponent limped in with a stronger than usually hand, you could be completely dominated too. And I think the latter is more likely if you take into account his position during preflop. Although, you might be getting lucky and be playing a limped AA or KK who is overplaying that hand on this flop.

I see alot of different scenarios, but the ones that make the most sense are the ones that have you dominated on that flop, considering position and the fact that he is raising with two people behind him who haven't acted.

Any way you look at it, tough hand.
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Postby Zmej » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:53 am

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Postby kennyg » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:32 am

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