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Postby tooters » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:11 am

400nl against a very agg check raising guy that I have seen like 100 hands now and hes check raised very big like 4 times like from 25 to 125 etc...

BB ($80)
UTG ($279.23)
UTG+1 ($76.9)
UTG+2 ($396)
MP1 ($390)
MP2 ($209.12)
Hero ($1060.1)
CO ($959.18)
Button ($120.3)
SB ($468.6)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [Js], [Qd]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($26) [Jd], [2d], [Qs] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $16, Button folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $50, Hero calls $34.

Turn: ($126) [9h] (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $100, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $226

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Postby Smokin'Al » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:48 am

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Postby MVPSPORTS » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:13 am

Tooters... I think you had him beat chief... at least at that point... probably had TPTK or something... trips is doubtful, cause he was pushing too hard... he was overbetting a flush/straight draw... I think if you're gonna call the checkraise, the only thing you would fold to on the turn would be a REAL danger card, like [Kd] or [Td] ... But hey, you got a thousand bucks at the $400 NL table, so you must be doing something right :D ...
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Postby Yogadude » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:19 pm

I would of re-raised enough to pot-comit me on the flop. The only reasonable made hand that beats you is 22 and the only draw to worry about is K10 diamonds. There are so many hands you beat against an agressive player that I think you should push on the flop. It would be different if he had $1000, then I would just call and play the turn, not willing to risk a days work on one hand. I would call the $100 on the turn if he had $1000 and then still be willing to lay down on the river if I felt I had to. Just calling on the flop here against an aggressive opponent who cant take your entire stack is a mistake.

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Postby kennyg » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:25 pm

I probably would have called just like you on the flop...but then come over the top on his turn bet.

A reraise on the flop is also fine..but you get a lot more money with that turn bet.

I beleive the only hand he has beating you is K10 or 22. I'm willing to go all the way with this one.
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Postby k3nt » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:46 pm

FWIW, I don't think your opponent had repped anything at all before you folded.

Look at it from his point of view. You are 2nd to last to act on the flop and it's checked to you. You could be making a bet with anything that hit the flop at all -- even middle pair, if you're aggressive.

So. You make a bet of just 40% of the pot or so. That either shows strength (looking for action) or weakness (afraid to bet strong). He's not sure which it is. But he's aggressive, so he check-raises to find out where he is. Like you said, he loves to check-raise. You just flat call. He still doesn't know where he is, but he's smelling weakness, and he knows he can't check the turn. So he throws out a good bet to find out if he's right and you're weak. You fold and he wins.

If I'm your opponent, and I'm in super-aggressive mode, I could make this play with just a diamond draw.

So. I think you have to re-raise the flop. If he really has you beat he'll raise again, or call and then lead out again. But I bet he doesn't.

All just IMVVHO from a guy who's never played the 400 game of course. :roll:
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Re: 400nl top 2

Postby rdale » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:20 pm

I had four similiar hands this week, both of them I have two pair show strength and meet resistance, once was heads up I had top and bottom he had top two, go figure but I had made the choice on the flop whether my hand was good and took the lump the time it wasn't. I'm shooting 50/50 on these spots this week over all so take my words with caution. Although the times I've lost the stack has been shorter than the larger stacks I've won, so it looks better numbers wise :)

You have to decide what range of hands he is likely to have, and pull the trigger either on the flop or turn. I often prefer the turn because many people will gambull it up on a draw over two cards but not over one while committing more money out of position to you if they pulled some weird check raise junk.

Hands that beat you from unlikely to likely 99, KT, 22 I include 99 because if he thought you were on the draw he might very well check raise his nines being an aggressive player in early he may or may not raise the nines, I know I only do about 50% of the time from his seat and I'm semi-loose-aggressive. Hands that you beat, any non connected pair, AdQ AdJ A9 ATd weaker two pairs like J9s and two diamond hands.

ATd for a gutshot with over cards that got to open ended at the turn is what I put him on if I had to make a guess given that he is an aggressive player in early two suited overs is a playable hand. He might very well play that draw for his stack at the turn, and you have a lot of cards to dodge on the river. I think you were ahead about 3:1 if I read his hand correctly, but I don't know when dust settled that you would have stayed ahead.
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Postby tooters » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:44 pm

Thanks for the info. Now that I look at it I should of been more agg. It just has happened so many times on my semi big hands that when I push back sure enough they got trips or hit there draw. I kind of made a deal with my self that I wouldn't loose my stack with anything less than trips unless it's aloose player.
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