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2/4nl - if you think you're ahead, play like it. (I suck)

Postby Stelvask » Sat May 20, 2006 12:00 am

ladies and gentlemen of BTP, i'd like to take this opportunity to use a huge mistake that i played and hopefully get some good out of it.

If you're in a large pot, with a large stack, against another large stack, and have a hand in which you're willing to call a very large bet that's being made on a late street, you should really just push. here's the hand which explains my example. simply put, i made an awful awful awful awful awful awful turn call. i should have pushed in this hand, and the result of playing the hand this poorly was that i lost the biggest pot i've ever been in.

there's no need to criticize my turn play here, i made a huge mistake, and i'm fully aware of this.

I have $750 in chips. UTG covers. he's 20/5 with a PFA of 2.20 over 300 hands. he's a slight winner, but i've never seen him do anything interesting.

i'm dealt [Th][Td] in LP. UTG opens to $16. i call OTB, SB calls too.

3 way pot. $50. flop comes [Ts][7s][4c]. SB checks. UTG bets $40. i raise to $100. SB folds, UTG calls.

$250 in the pot. turns the [Ac]. UTG bets $232. here's where i made my mistake. i currently have a stack of ~625. if i call, i have ~ $400 left.
furthermore, if i call, it's because I believe i'm ahead. the only hand that scares me here is AA.
nextly, there's already $500 in the pot, and taking the pot down here with all these draws would be fine. but that's besides the point.

THE MOST IMPOROTANT POINT IS THIS:

If I believe i'm ahead here, there is absolutely no reason to not push. with the size of hte pot, and the amount of draws on board, i can't call and then call off my stack on the river, giving him a chance to outdraw me. In a very large pot, if you are willing to call off your stack on the next street, even though you're somewhat worried you may have been outdrawn, just push now and force out any lesser drawing hands

while this doesn't always hold true, in this particular instance, and in these types of hands, it will always be a valid point. I should have either pushed or folded here, hands down no questions asked. and obviously the only way i can fold is if i firmly believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has AA.

what did i do? i called. why? don't ask. i can't explain it

The river was the seamingly harmless [Qh]. he pushed into me, i thought about it for a little while, being worried that i may have been turned in a huge pot. I even asked him if he two outered me, to which he replied "yes".

i called, and he flipped up QQ, for a rivered set.

i played this hand awfully, and i payed a huge price for it - a $1497 pot. before today i had never been involved in a pot bigger than $1250. I made a terrible mistake on the turn - i felt i was ahead (hence my call, his bet was so big in comparison to the pot that i decided AA had to be unlikely), and yet i gave him a chance to outdraw me on an incredibly draw heavy board.

on the up side, while i lost the biggest pot i've ever played in, i'm still up (as of now) $2400 on the day). i'm just... irritated... with myself for this hand.
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Postby briachek » Sat May 20, 2006 9:10 am

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Postby iceman5 » Sat May 20, 2006 9:47 am

I probably wouldve put him on [As][Ks] and pushed the turn like you said. I also agree you need to raise the flop harder especially when you are both pretty deep.
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Postby Stelvask » Sat May 20, 2006 10:34 am

wanna know the worst part of this ice? i actually thought he had [As][Ks] and i still didn't push.

on the upside, i played 3,002 hand yesterday, and finished up $2,916. I had to take a break fater this hand to keep myself from tilting after playing it so insanely poorly, but i was able to rally and boot after a little bit.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat May 20, 2006 11:10 am

I wouldnt beat myself up about it. It sounds like you making a killing the past couple weeks.

How ( or why) are you getting so many hands in?
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Postby Stelvask » Sat May 20, 2006 11:19 am

my semester ended in late april. i'm taking a class here 'till the end of may, but there's no work for it - just 9:30-12:50 mondays through thursdays. been getting in at least a few hours a day, had a 6 hour day yesterday, and about the same the day before.
hopefully i'll be able to keep this up throughout the summer, but once school starts up again in lateish auguest i'll be back to only a few hours a week.

honestly, the reason i was beating myself up over the hand in the post was because i was trying to A: keep myself off tilt by taking a few minute break from the session, and B: think about the hand more thouroughly so i wouldn't make that kind of mistake again. it's not the first time i've made one of these calls, where i should have been pushing instead, and it's a leak in my game i NEED To get rid of. Obviously these types of situations come up maybe once every 5,000 hands or so, but that's still way too often for me to not be addressing it and forcing myself to think about it more.
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Postby kennyg » Sat May 20, 2006 1:16 pm

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Postby muszu » Sat May 20, 2006 5:33 pm

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Postby muszu » Sat May 20, 2006 5:42 pm

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