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3/6nl - i hate big draws. hand + me whining. Low content.

Postby Stelvask » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:33 am

Seriously though. While putting in the results for that last big draw i checked out poker tracker. I've been stacked 4 times this last week pushing with a big draw. 3 of those times the other guy had aces, once he had a set. I've also managed to hit a big draw, conveniently the one time i played it slow.

I'll give you an example.

villain and I both have full stacks. He's a solid TAG winning player at 3/6. I've never seen him get out of line, and he has a good win rate. We've played maybe 600 hnads together. This is full ring of course.

I open limp in MP with [Jc][9c]. I raise here 95% of the time, but as with any hand i'm going to raise with, sometimes I opt to mix it up with a limp. When the tables full of regullars I always try to throw out a little thing here or there to confuse them. . villain is OTB and raises to 24. folds to me and i call.

$50ish pot. flop comes [Tc][4c][2h]. I check call a $36 bet.

$125ish pot. turns the [8d]. yummy. I check, he bets $100. I do the little 'pause for a few seconds making it look like i'm trying to make it look like i have a tough decision' before pushing for $500 more. he tanks. uses his entire time bank before finally calling me with red aces.

I miss and he drags. Given, I could have avoided it all together if i had open raised in the first place - he likely would have reraised, and that would probably have been the end of the hand. But I think that may be besides the point here (though i'm sure i'll get some heat on this one for my preflop play anyways).
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Postby kennyg » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:52 pm

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Postby kennyg » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:54 pm

let me put in another way.

is calling the raise here we [Jc][9c] OOP against a good opponent going to be a +EV situation in the long run?
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Postby Stelvask » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:41 pm

on it's own? no. It's probably not going to be profitable to play suited conectors/one gappers. While i'm sure it's -EV, it's not like i'm going to be stacked on a 9 high or J high flop.

but what hands do most people limp with? pairs. And what are most people doing when they limp with pairs? set hunting.

I don't want my opponents to think that any time i limp call I have a pair - and i don't want them to think that any time i play back at them i've hit. i really do think there is a metagame advantage to playing this sort of hand at a table full of regulars.

I guarentee you the next time i get into a big pot against this guy we're both going to be thinking about this hand. I think i'll have the psychological advantage though, because i'll have spent time thinking about what i'm going to do next time we play together - the best way to bluff or semi-bluff him, and the best ways to get value from him. And all because of the way this hand played out.

Given, having lost a stack, it's going to take me some time to make limp calling with J9s profitable again, but results aside, i do think there some solid metagame value to the play.
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Postby kennyg » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:15 pm

i've decided even good opponents dont remember and or think about previous hands nearly enough. (well unless you're a crazed lunatic and are seeing 80% of flops.)
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