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Postby Zuccala » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:34 am

Stacks:

Hero: $144 (UTG)

Shortie: $30 (MP)

Big: $177 (LP)

Reads:


the short player is loose, the big player is also loose and I have seen him make some bluffs and chase some bad hands.


Hand:


I get [Qs][Qc] UTG and raise to $4, shortie mins $8, Big cold calls $8, I call $4

flop: [Td][4d][3s] $24

I check, Shortie bets $22 (AI), LP calls, HERO???

Analysis:


I am OOP and I am in a raise on fold situatiuon I think. LP deffinatley has a PP but has he hit a set or not. The sortie could have anything really but aginst 2 player sthat called him I "may" be ahead.


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Postby iwanturcoin » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:44 am

why did'nt you lead the flop?? put the shortie all in then see what the big stack does. You put urself in a tough spot OOP by checking here. As played I think i just call and try to keep the pot as small as possible and see what he does on the turn.
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Postby hard2tel » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:27 am

reraise pre.

As played check on the flop is good. i would push and watch bb call with AT or something.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:41 am

I don't think I agree with your read on LP. I think he has a much weaker hand than you give him credit for.

Preflop--He flat calls a raise and a reraise. So he's probably got a drawish hand and perhaps a medium pp. AA/KK is probably reraising there no?

Flop--SB leads and he flat calls even though there is a flush draw. Okay, now I feel much better that he doesn' have a big pair and is probably on a big draw.

I'm check raising huge here.

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Postby MBuckler » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:53 am

4 bet PF. you'll have a better idea of where you're at. if you just call PF, lead that flop.

as played, make it like $75-$90
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Postby Triple B » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:42 pm

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Postby k3nt » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:55 pm

I love where you are in this hand because shorties suck and the other player's range is very wide here, because he probably knows that shorties suck too. I CR to $70 even though I expect him to fold most of the time.

The problem is what to do if he calls or shoves over your CR.

You really do have to 4-bet this preflop. I might consider reraising to ... um ... $19 I guess is the right number -- that amount lets the shorty push his $30 and then you can repush if the button calls the $30. I'd much rather get the shorty all-in preflop with free sweetener from the other guy than have to play out of position without knowing where you are in a pot where you didn't get enough $$$ in preflop to be able to stack off with your overpair.
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Postby kennyg » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:10 am

Make it like $35 preflop (their ranges are wide and there is a lot of dead money in the pot.) Thats really all that matters here because you shouldn't be in this situation.
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