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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:50 pm

Button open raises to $40 which doesnt mean all that much. I call in the SB with QQ. The BB then reraises to $165. Button folds.

OK, the BB is very aggressive preflop and plays pretty well post flop. Hes a regular and his stats are around 32 / 22. He will open raise to $40 with any pair, any 2 big cards and any suited connectors or even one gappers.

Ive seen him reraise with TT and better.

So his range here is AA - TT and AK...maybe AQ. Im almost positive he has one of these hands. Based on that, what is the correct play?

1) Reraise to $400ish and call all in if need be?
2) Reraise to $400 ish and fold to all in
3) Call and play to the felt with a flop with no overcards
4) Push all in now.....
5) Something different.

There was hand earlier where I rased to $40, he reraised to $120, I pushed and he folded so like I said, he doesnt need to have AA / KK here.

I also saw him reraise TT and had to showdown on a 9 high board.

I dont think #4 is correct because he folded to my push earlier so i think he folds anything less than KK.
I had AQs when I pushed preflop but he doesnt know that.
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Postby Subzero_Wins » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:31 pm

curious why you didnt raise the button rather than calling, but as played i think i would go with option 2 assuming ur both full stacked and i would be pushing a non-overcard flop...it seems to me that he'd be doing this with a wide range of hands as a button raise doesnt look too strong and ur smooth call makes it look like a good spot to try to steal it...i would be more than happy taking down that much preflop with QQ and if hes not calling an all in with anything worse than KK theres no point in straight pushing

i just moved from limit however and only play 100NL so this is much higher stakes than i play
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Postby NorthView » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:18 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:40 pm

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Postby AlexMR » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:46 pm

[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
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[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:00 pm

$1000 stacks.

Heres the problems as I see them

If I reraise, Im not folding to an all in because he can have JJ or AK just as easily as KK or AA. If I call an all in he gets all 5 cards if he has AK, where as if I just called the raise, I can take the pot away if he has AK and he doesnt improve on the flop. So against AK, I am 2-1 fav instead of closer to a coin flip. He will probably bet the flop even if its 763 and I raise and take his CB as well as his preflop money.

But if I call and an ace or king flops, he can take my pot and make me fold the best hand even if he has JJ or TT if he has the cajones to pound the Axx or Kxx flop (which I think he does heads up).

So basically, I dont know which is best. Option #1 or #3.
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Postby The Golden 1 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:06 pm

I don't see what's wrong with pushing all in here. If you're not folding to a reraise all in or an undercard flop you're saying "If he has AA or KK so be it". So why not take the pot now, which is almost 25 bb now by my count. He won't call with AK preflop according to you, which is fine and probably beneficial to us.
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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:12 pm

Where did I say he wont call a whole stack off with AK preflop?
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Postby Aisthesis » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:52 pm

This is 6-max, right?

If so, take this for what it's worth (which may not be much): Given that range and the presumed fact that he'll fold to overcards, I think I'd call and bet out most flops except K-high and rags. Then take it from there with his reponse.

For example, if an A flops, he has TT-KK 19 times (only one QQ out there), AA 3 times, AK 12 times (if AQ is in there, this helps his A).

K-high is a bad flop for you, since he has AK 12 times, KK 3 times, and AA 6 times for 21 hands that he's going to play hard.

I there's an A AND a K, then he has AK 9 times, AA 3, KK 3 for a total of 15. QQ once, JJ 6, and TT 6 for a total of 13. So, I guess you might as well forget that one, too (although a bet of around $240 with the pot at $360 would still be profitable and might be worth considering).

Q-high you're obviously all about.

J-high: JJ 3 times, TT 6 times, AK 16 times for 25 losers for him.

T-high: TT 3 times, JJ 6 times (which he'll play aggressively), AK 16 times.

On all of these boards except those with a Q, I think you're going to have to lay down if he raises your bet (even though you'll sometimes be ahead of JJ or whatever). On the K-high board, I think you can just check-fold.

On rags, I think I like a check-raise to get the CB from AK. If he's going to immediately push TT-AA to a c-r, then I think you have to go ahead and call with that much in the pot and being 50-50 to win. If there's any way to sniff out the lower pairs vs. AA/KK, then that would be very advantageous, obviously (if there were any stack-depth left, a lot of players like this will be inclined to immediately push TT/JJ and simply flat call the c-r with KK/AA, which he's not laying down. But there's also probably not enough depth left for you to lay down either, although a mini-check-raise might allow it and might not be a bad play.
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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:04 pm

Yes, its 6 max but given his hand range which Im pretty sure about, I dont think theres any difference in 6 max and full ring in this spot.

You make some interesting points. I need to digest them but they look pretty good.
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Postby bkholdem » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:06 pm

what about 'reluctantly' calling his reraise and checkraising the flop if it's not scary? If i was left with playing for set value post flop i would fold to his raise righ here.

I don't like the push pre.
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