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Postby iceman5 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:59 am

Live 2/5 game.

I just got stacked after shoving all in on the river as a value bet (but shockingly didnt have the best hand).

Im back to $500. I raise [3h][3c] to $20 UTG. The button calls. The SB now reraises to $65. I call as does the button. Button and SB both have around $600-$800.

The button has reraised preflop 3 or 4 times already in 2 hours. he did it once to me and I folded. I say that to say that his call on the button cant be a huge hand.

The SB has recently been stacked also (cant remember the hand) and is stuck about $1200 or so.

Pot $200. Flop [Ac][9s][3d]. SB bets $55. I call as does the button.
Pot $365. Turn [Th]. SB bets $200.

1) Whats my play?
2) What do you put them on
3) Do you ever lay this down?
4) What if you had 99 instead of 33 and you were all $1500 deep?
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Postby k3nt » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:03 am

(1) I raise the turn and play for it all. (Most of the time, after that weak flop bet, I raise the flop, but that is somewhat opponent and table dependent.)

(2) I don't care what they have.

(3) I never lay this down. I mean, come on, it's a raised and reraised pot with more than 10% of your stack in preflop and you caught a set. I go all the way here every time.

(4) If I had 99 but stacks were $1500 deep, it would be basically the same conclusion: middle set instead of bottom set on the flop cancels out the deeper stacks. I'm still willing to play for it all.
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Postby kennyg » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:08 am

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Postby Zmej » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:27 am

I agree with Kenny and disagree with k3nt in all points that are different in their posts.
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