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A couple pre-flop pushes. $400 NL 6-h.

Postby Xaston » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:18 am

This guy was a 39/8. His re-raise just seemed too big to want action, so I did the opposite and gave him action.




This guy is a really strong player. I may have more hands with him than anyone else on the site. I am up a considerable amount of money against him, largely due to running well, not really outplaying (although I think I have an edge against him). We have a lot of mutual respect for each other's game, but we hardly shy away from playing pots with each other. Obviously the raise to $140 is what I percieved to be a misclick (it was), so I shoved. In retrospect, I think just calling would be a fuck of a lot more scary to him, and likely to get me fold equity on the turn (I would check the flop, he would poop himself and check behind and pray for a miracle against my OBVIOUS AA or KK, then I'd pick up the pot on the turn, I imagine). So all in all, do we like/dislike the push? How about my call and take a flop and scare him shitless line?





This guy is a 29/14 and seems ok (this was a few days ago so I don't remember much more than his stats). I thought briefly about folding but obviously didn't. It seems like he's probably pretty likely to have AA, although recently I've seen a LOT more people flat calling the 2nd or 3rd raise with AA and KK. Everyone insta-call this?



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Postby kennyg » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:38 am

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Postby Xaston » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:43 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby Xaston » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:45 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby Zmej » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:54 am

I play in a very different style, but anyway.

Hand 1. His overbet is not neccesary indicates that he doesn't want action, may be he has some read on you or has some other reasons. (I remember 2 hands when I got lots of action when I flopped sets of aces, slightly overbet pot on flop and was raised big by second pair in one case and unimproved pocket pair in another, they probably used the same logics. ) So I don't like it.

Hand 2. What if he raised with premium hands? Even AK, AQ, JJ call you here.
Calling is a bit more interesting, but I think that with AA, KK push on flop is better, with so much money in the pot you are just happy to take it right now. So I am not sure that he would believe you that you have a good hand when you call him. So I would just fold.

Hand 3. Most likely I would call this against an unknown opponent, though AA is very likely. If I played with him a bit (at least 200 hands) and he did nothing stupid I would fold this.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:54 am

Hand #1
I doubt this is a very +EV play. If your read is right he probably has something like AQ/AJ or JJ/99. It would seem you're basically a coinflip against his distributions so it would be a high variance play with only a marginally positive EV. However, metagame value is a bit higher since he won't try to re-raise you out of pots without a hand after you make this play.

Hand #2
This one just made me puke. I don't get it. Seems like the ultimate Fancy Play Syndrome. Sure, he most likely mis clicker, but SO WHAT!? You have Q8s ffs. Obviously he wasn't going to fold preflop, I was going to raise, so he has a playable hand, which you don't, and after accidentallky putting in 30% of his effective stack I'm thinking he's going to defend it against your push WAY more often than he's going to fold. And he will have a much better hand. At best you'll have 40% to win but against any reasonable HD you're about 30%. If you had a hand like 99 or AQ I could maybe understand the play but here I just don't get it.

Hand #3
If I have a super read backed up by stats from a lot of hands on the opponent, showing he's a rock, I might fold KK. At a 6 handed table against anyone who doesn't fit that category, I instacall/push every time.
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