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Postby DoctorHandles » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:21 pm

Villain is 18/12 over 80 hands with a 30% attempt to steal. He has raised my sb before and I have yet to play back at him.

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UTG ($91.60)
MP ($200)
Button ($103)
SB ($115.60)
Hero ($117.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Kd], [4d].
3 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, SB calls $10.

Flop: ($28) [Td], [3s], [3d] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($28) [Qs] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17, SB calls $17.

River: ($62) [Jc] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero?
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Postby Xaston » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:55 pm

Flop check seems bad and such that you couldn't convince me otherwise unless there is a lot more info about you and villain that you didn't mention.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:56 pm

Getting CRed on the flop blows no?

I think I get CRed a lot here and don't really want to be given 2:1 to call a shove with a flush draw when he probably has more nut draw flush draw combos in his range than non-nut (if he has any).

So I'm guessing this is wrong (and I should be CB/shoving turn as the other line then), but I thought he was opening light on the SB but his 3-bet calling range was somewhat narrow (as is typical for my stakes, especially against this type of opponent). I thought AJ was maybe in his range, AQ probably was, and AK probably was not, and I did not think 77-99 would fold to one barrel (granted I could fire two which is what i imagine you think the best line is) and any T (there are not many) and JJ-AA are not folding and very often CRAI on the flop.
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Postby The Golden 1 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:16 am

If we don't worry about being overflushed most of the time shouldn't we not worry about being overflushdrawed?
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Postby hard2tel » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:44 am

yea it sounds like you're assuming stuff about villain when u have no reason to. like trying to put him on a pretty tight range here when he's basically an unknown. 80 hands is not very much.

i agree with 2 barrelling.

as played i probably just check behind.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:18 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:27 pm

If he check raises the flop, alot of time its going to be a complete bluff so yes i do think you have FE.

Your awesome draw isnt all that awesome and your implied odds arent that big when a flush hits.

I think its much better to just take down the pot on the flop. Its a reraised pot so its a decent pot already. You want to bet these flops every time when a check raise doesnt scare you that much which it shouldnt here.
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Postby Spank_her_Pair » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:36 pm

Lower flush draws are also in his CRing range. If he called with a suited connector, he's gonna CR the flop if he hit the FD. Axd is also in his range but I think these two factors should cancel out and you shouldnt worry about getting it in with just a Khi FD. Now if you had like 5d 6d or some such... well then you have less equity vs his CRing range.

I agree with Betting the flop, then shoving over the top of a CR is optimal. Checking sucks.

As played you should bet more on the turn... like $22.

Betting the river seems like an okay bet. He has to fold Tx and pairs. He never folds a Q though. He should also fold TJ because any Q beats him. However, there shouldn't be too many Txs in his range pre-flop. I think he has like AQ/QK/JJ here. But TJ,T9 and 77-99 and AdJd or AsJs are also in his range. And he should fold all those because your most likely air hand (AK) now has a straight. I think its probably slightly +ev to fire $47 on the river. You are mainly representing TT, AK, and AQ and to a lesser extent 3x and JJ.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:51 pm

I did not (and still don't) believe lower flush draws or bluffs are in his CRing range. Obviously it's not impossible he has one, but he has one with a very very low frequency. He's basically a nit who likes to steal who I have not been playing back at, hence the preflop 3-bet. He's not going to call me light here PF with 56dd.

I understand 80 hands are not much, but this type of regular is not uncommon at nL$100 stars. That further reinforces my belief he's probably just a typical one of these type of players.

Yeah I was betting tuns way too hard, then started betting them way lighter, now I'm trying to find the right size. Pot was probably $26ish after rake though so it was 2/3 size, which I've been using as a general rule and am probably applying too much.
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