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Postby Zmej » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:47 pm

Button seems reasonable, though not much of a read on him. He raised preflop quite a few times (he runs at 35/17 over 120 hands, raising about 30% of hands OTB), but I hadn't seen him go out of line postflop. (I got a big stack when I hit a set in a 3way raised pot, and pushed over a bet, if it matters.)

I didn't like how this hand played out, so all the critique is welcome. FWIW if I had a set or 68s I would play it the same way.


Seat 1: CO ($644.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Button ($744.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero [5c] [7c] ($2,255.30 in chips)
Seat 5: BB ($591.00 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG ($372.00 in chips)
Seat 9: MP ($600.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Hero posts blind ($3), BB posts blind ($6).

PRE-FLOP
Button bets $21, Hero calls $18, BB folds.

FLOP (48 ): [3c] [7h] [9c]
Hero checks, Button bets $35, Hero raises to $99, Button calls $64.

TURN (246): [Td]
Hero bets $177, Button bets $624.25 and is all-in,
Hero?

Pot is 1047 and I need to call 447 more.


Sure I could fold preflop, but I like to play SC type hands OOP from time to time. It seems to me that we are a bit deep for a line like lead-get raised-push to work. If I lead 35 and he raises to 111, there would be about 260 in the pot with 600 behind. And push would be a bit of a stretch.
And what do you think button range is here?

I am interested mainly not in fold/call question on turn, but in better lines here.
What do you think about check/call flop, check/raise turn line?
(Seems like it worth considering, though it's not one of my main lines.)
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:38 pm

The last decision is pretty easy, isn't it? Your hand is over-represented and he's pushing. He's very unlikely to be bluffing and you only have enough equity to call against the very weakest of hands. If he has something like JJ it's pretty much neutral EV and super high variance.

The way he played it looks like he wants to make sure the draw doesn't hit before getting it in, or maybe he was drawing himself and improved (he could have [Jc] [Tc] for example). Either way you should fold as played imo.
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Postby Devbert » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:49 pm

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Postby shamdonk » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:54 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:01 am

I love your line, I fold...odds aren't good enough. 3:1 and it's a call.
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Postby Zmej » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:34 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
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Postby Zmej » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:33 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
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Postby Zmej » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:55 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
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