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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:45 am

$5/$10 NL 4 handed at Tribeca. I just sat down and it was 5 handed but a guy just left.

I have [Js][4d] in the BB. erveryone limps.

Pot $40. Flop [4h][3s][2h]. SB checks, I really hate this flop because if I bet and get called I have no idea where I am so I check. It gets checked around.

Pot $40. Turn [Jd]. I bet $30. UTG folds, button calls, then the SB min check raises to $60. I started with $750 and they both have me covered. He has a big hand, but how big? Most people would bet a set or 2 pair on that flop, but not everyone. The straight really worries me.

Do you reraise or call him down?
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Postby NorthView » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:04 pm

I never know what to do in these situations. I posted one recently where I flopped top 2 and faced big aggro from a guy on an uncoordinated board who, it turned out, had flopped a set. Maybe you didn't see it.

Anyway, the jury was split, but with a majority in favour of calling down. Your hand is different because it's easier for him to have flopped a set or straight, so all the more reason to play it slowly? I don't know if I'd play for 75BB's here.

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Postby Xaston » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:07 pm

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Postby kennyg » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:56 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:46 pm

I really don't like a re-raise here. I like a call. If you're behind you don't mind if the second caller has a flush draw, you welcome his call because if you improve it will be to the nuts. Obviously you can't fold since you're getting such great odds. Your implied odds are great, I would suspect that you stack the SB pretty often when you hit. Some small points...

1. When you bet on the turn you probably won't get respect for a big hand since it looks like either a steal or that you just hit the Jack. Ie: your hand strength is disguised.

2. Unless SB is a donk who's trying to buy the pot with a retarded move he has to have a big hand. I think it's weird to slowplay a straight, ever, but especially with a flush draw out. He gave everyone two chances to draw for free so obviously he's an idiot no matter what his holdings are, and will most likely pay off big time.

3. The button is probably very weak. Most SH players would bet the flush draw when checked to on the button, he could have a 5, a single pair or what not.

4. A raise will tell you where you're at against the SB (I'm sure you're ahead of the button) but you'd be in a really bad place if he comes over the top.

5. Why are you sitting with $750 and not a full buy in? Is this another one of those hands where you're one of the villains? Doesn't make sense either because you can't be SB (you wouldn't mini-CR) and any hand you'd be willing to call with as the button you'd bet on the flop (I would assume you'd have raised a J with a good kicker preflop so calling with TP as a bluff catcher on the turn seems unlikely). Did you lose a pot and not have time to reload? You said you just sat down.. something smells rotten... ;)

Anyway... with immediate odds of 1:5 (1:6 if button overcalls which is likely) and implied odds of about 28:1 (51:1 if button is on the flush draw, SB has a lower set and you hit the [Jh]) I think it is an easy call.

River will be tricky but unless a heart, Ace or 6 comes I'd call a reasonable bet or valuebet if checked to.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:54 pm

Im really the BB. Its Tribeca which has a max 75BB buy in at these stakes.
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Postby kennyg » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:54 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:08 pm

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Postby The Golden 1 » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:30 pm

It makes quite good sense if you think about it stoney, they allow 200 or 150 bb for the lower stakes because they're more likely to get it all in and thus increase the amount of rake they get per a hand. At 5/10, the pot is max raked preflop usually, so they keep smaller buyins to increase action and get more hands played faster. At least that's how I see it.
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Postby kennyg » Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:17 am

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Postby briachek » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:30 pm

well since kenny already agrees with me, i raise that turn. Raising to $200 like kenny said and folding to a push given a read is possible. Your hand is too strong here to not try to get more money in there. you might be seeing monsters under the bed, this coming from an omaha player that is used to seeing them.
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:31 pm

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Postby briachek » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:05 pm

4 handed and against the sb makes many hands possible that would do this rather than just a set or straight. If it was full ring or even 6 handed, it would be different.
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