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Postby Zmej » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:43 pm

Hand1. I am OTB in this hand. No reads just sat down. I didn't reraise preflop as I wanted to play some poker against shortstack.

Seat 5: carlman1953 ($415.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero [Ah] [Qd] ($467.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Kizing ($459.40 in chips)
Seat 9: SpadeNeuterU ($377.85 in chips)
Seat 10: zorrozorro1 ($139.85 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Kizing posts blind ($2), SpadeNeuterU posts blind ($4).

PRE-FLOP
zorrozorro1 bets $15, carlman1953 folds, Hero calls $15, Kizing folds, SpadeNeuterU calls $11.

FLOP(47): [6c] [Ts] [Qh]
SpadeNeuterU checks, zorrozorro1 bets $15, Hero bets $55, SpadeNeuterU bets $155, zorrozorro1 calls $109.85 and is all-in, Hero?




Hand2. Clemenza12 (UTG) has stats like 20/12. My notes say that he has stationish tendencies, it probably means that he catched me 2barreling with something marginal like 2nd pair.
Cant't tell anything about the other 2 players.

Seat 2: Lee974 ($370.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero [Qs] [Kc] ($1,335.05 in chips)
Seat 5: patriik68s ($579.50 in chips)
Seat 8: padiii1 ($732.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Clemenza12 ($566.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
patriik68s posts blind ($3), padiii1 posts blind ($6).

PRE-FLOP
Clemenza12 calls $6, Lee974 folds, Hero bets $22, patriik68s calls $19, padiii1 calls $16, Clemenza12 calls $16.

FLOP [5s] [Kd] [7s]
patriik68s checks, padiii1 checks, Clemenza12 checks, Hero bets $66, patriik68s folds, padiii1 folds, Clemenza12 bets $544 and is all-in, Hero?

Well it looks like a fold to me, but I appreciate your thoughts anyway.
What if I had AK, AA?

What about checking the flop? I actually thought about it, but didn't have much time to make up my mind.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:15 pm

I would fold both hands.

I think in hand #1 the only hands which make any sense are QTs, 66, or a bluff and without a read you gotta toss it.

Hand #2 I would also fold for obvious reasons as you're either slighly ahead or crushed, and calling station tendencies make that even worse I think. For what it's worth I don't like a flop check and would have played it as you did (I'm assuming you folded).
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Postby droqqa » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:18 pm

Hand 1

I'd be surprised if you were ahead here - tough to give them both hands that you are ahead of, considering the relative lack of draws. Plus, SpadeNeuterU's line is SUPER strong. You'll also get to see what they have, so fold.

Hand 2

KQ=AK=AA here, b/c he's either got a draw or a set - noone plays like this with a 1-pair hand. I would fold if he's never done this before, but I don't hate a call.

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Postby Zmej » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:52 pm

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
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Postby droqqa » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:20 pm

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Postby poker2006 » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:10 pm

I don't think I would fold hand 1. There are too many draws possible on that board, weaker Qs. To fold you have to think he has QT or better. Follow your instinct, but I would not fold.

Hand 2, if he hasn't done this before fold. You have to get a read on what hands he could CR allin with, or wether he is on serious tilt. I would put him on a flush draw with gut or even open ended str draw. I agree that TP or overpair are probably equivalent here, you have about the same equity vs his range. But I could see him doing this with the Axs flush draw, so if you have AK/AA you wouldn't have to worry about overcards.
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Postby Triple B » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:28 pm

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Postby Schuster » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:38 pm

I think both are folds. The first, opponent has showed so much strength it's tough for you to be good here. Also still have to beat the short stack for a decent pot. Bad spot.

The second, you could be against a draw but you could be buried. I know some guys who will shove like this on the flop with draws, but just raise a little bit with a set. But against an unknown, I'm not comfortable at all here and find a fold pretty easily. If I had AK or AA it's a lot tougher, particularly with AK. I know it's basically the same hand as KQ, but I would probably call with AA just because I'm not drawing completely dead against a set and that extra 9% shot is enough for me. Might be silly though. I could find a fold with AK I think.

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