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Postby Pok 7's » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:18 pm

This hand came up last session and was wondering if you guys play the turn and river any different. Villain and I have been tangling a bit recently, I'm not sure if it's coincidence or if he feels he has the need to play back at me. I've raised a few hands prior to this and got 3 bet from him (with him both in positon and OOP). I mostly had fairly weak openers (KJ, AJ, etc) when he 3 bet me and I just mucked them. I also had a hand where I 3 bet him out of the blind when he raised, we took a flop and he folded to my flop bet.

Also we had one other hand together where he rasied UTG and I callled OTB with AQ and called him down every street on a Q high flop and he bet the river when a possibe flush hit (which I was going to shove on him but decided against) anyway he had the same hand and we chopped a $50+ pot. My overall read was he didn't really like to fold hands when someone played back at him even though I've folded to him a few times.

Now on to the hand: (Note it's not a brag although I joke about it I'm really interested in turn and river comments)

We're both a little over 100 BB deep.

Me: $60.55 in the BB
VIllian (button) 66.60

Folds to villian who opens for a pot rasie of $1.75 SB folds and I call with [7d] [7h]

Flop [4h] [Jc] [6h] pot $3.75 Villian bets $2.50 I call.---- At this point I'm not necessarily convinced he has a hand and may very well be making a Cbet with overs, air, or a PP.... (Plus this is my hand and I'm borderline bulletproof with it :wink: )

Turn: [7s] (see :lol: ) Pot $8.75 I check, villian bets $5.00. I make it $16 to go and he calls the additonal $11

River [7c] Pot $40.55 I'd be interested in hearing thoughts... I'll tell you what I did and it was led for $24

Questions:

1. Thoughts on the turn bet sizing? It's less than a full PSB (IIRC I hit the half pot button then tacked some extra BB's on). I really didn't want to completely blow him out of the hand with a PSB.


2. Anyone play it differently at any point? If so how.

3. As played what's your river line?
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Postby Danhdan » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:49 pm

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Postby iwanturcoin » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:47 am

i'm much more in favour of a CR rather than check/calling OOP, most of his raising range on the button misses this flop...when u check/call if you don't turn that 7 then u have no idea where u are in the hand and pretty much ur forced to check fold the turn when he bets in position. He has'nt folded preflop when you've played back at him but he folded on the flop when you showed aggro so I think you have fold equity in the CR . So for me CR and check/folding >>>>>check/calling. As played i agree with Danhdan CR to about $20 also cutting his odds if he's simply betting a flush and making it easier to get all in on riv......otherwise check/fold the flop if ur not that aggressive ha
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Postby iwanturcoin » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:48 am

i'm much more in favour of a CR rather than check/calling OOP, most of his raising range on the button misses this flop...when u check/call if you don't turn that 7 then u have no idea where u are in the hand and pretty much ur forced to check fold the turn when he bets in position. He has'nt folded preflop when you've played back at him but he folded on the flop when you showed aggro so I think you have fold equity in the CR . So for me CR and check/folding >>>>>check/calling. As played i agree with Danhdan CR to about $20 also cutting his odds if he's simply betting a flush and making it easier to get all in on riv......otherwise check/fold the flop if ur not that aggressive ha
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Postby Monkey » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:34 am

CR a little bit more on the turn and you've got an easy river shove. Make the CR $18-20. As played shove the river anyway, it's about a pot bet. Someone once said (Xaston will probably claim it), "I just bet and let them worry about what they're going to call with."

Given your info on him, I don't like your flop play. Either ck-fold or CR with the intention of giving up if called. You said he doesn't like to fold when played back at, so floating OOP with the intention of making a play on the turn is playing in to his hands.
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