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Postby mwgr5 » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:25 am

1.No hand history with opponent.
PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($47.25)
Button ($33.85)
SB ($48.50)
BB ($32.55)
UTG ($72.80)
UTG+1 ($51.55)
MP1 ($57.10)
MP2 ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with AImage, QImage.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) 4Image, 8Image, 2Image (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4.
My CB didn't work but I still have 2 overcards.

Turn: ($13.75) 9Image (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.
What do you do after this miniraise? If I reraise, I think I am likley to be called because of the flop call. I decided to just call still with the 2 overs.

River: ($14.75) AImage (2 players)
MP2 bets $43.75 (All-In), Hero folds.
Well I hit my Ace, but he moves all in. This all in seems to represent an ace. Since he limp-called my raise preflop my Ace most likley has a better kicker. However, I thought he probably had a set or 2 pair so I folded. What is your move?


2. I think I might have been to aggressive on this hand. Again, no hand history with opponent.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($49.20)
UTG+1 ($44.80)
MP1 ($49.50)
MP2 ($49.50)
MP3 ($54.65)
Hero ($65.55)
Button ($57.30)
SB ($33.50)
BB ($52.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8Image, 8Image.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, MP2 folds.
What do you think of this raise preflop? I have just started raising with many more hands in late position.

Flop: ($6) 3Image, JImage, 9Image (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4.

Turn: ($14) AImage (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8.
Since SB check called my flop CB I thought he either had an underpair like TT or A9, KJ, JT, or JQ. I thought he could also have AJ which was the hand I was most scared of or flopped a set. I decided to fire out another bet because I thought he would fold any under pair and most likley fold a pair of jacks.
River: ($30) TImage (2 players)
SB bets $19 (All-In), Hero folds.


3. Opponent was 46/16/1 after 152 hands. My notes on him were that a quick check call indicated weakness.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (10 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($64.60)
SB ($36.10)
BB ($50.25)
UTG ($62.20)
UTG+1 ($71.85)
UTG+2 ($62.70)
MP1 ($5.05)
MP2 ($40.55)
MP3 ($46.75)
CO ($16.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with KImage, KImage.
UTG calls $0.50, 6 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) TImage, AImage, 5Image (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4.
This is more of a general question. Do you still CB on a A high flop with the underpair. I always CB in this situation heads up in position but have noticed that I get called or check raised many times. Maybe that is just short term varience, but I wanted to know what you do in that situation.

Turn: ($13.75) TImage (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
With my read of him check calling being a sign of weakness, I put him on an Ace with a weak kicker. If you are playing a fish that you think has this hand do you bet again on the turn? I was going to bet but was afraid this fish would not fold his ace.

River: ($13.75) 6Image (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $13.75

Results in white below:
UTG has 9s As (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $13.75.


Thanks again for the help!
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Postby Ichoi » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:02 pm

Disclaimer: I suck at NLHE.

First hand: I play pretty much the same way, I may raise to like $6 on the turn and take a free SD. Dunno if that's a good line, but I def fold the river. I half expect him to have 53s, lol.

Second hand: I like it, but I think you're betting kinda smallish postflop. *shrug*

Third hand: Preflop & Flop are standard, barring a read at this limit I'd say just give up on the turn, if against a decent player, I'd probably fire another pot bet on the turn suspecting they have a weak ace or clubs, and that they'll give it up to a big bet.

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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:53 pm

#1
I think he has 53s, either way you're most likely beat and should fold.

#2
I don't like the preflop raise since it's like 90% likely that the flop will bring at least one overcard. I don't mind your CB but whan it gets called I think you should give up.

#3
I think you played it perfectly. Opponent most likely has an Ace or a set, if he's stupid enough to call a preflop raise with Ax he's not smart enough to fold when he hits an Ace so no need to bet (that's why you raise AK).
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Postby Spank_her_Pair » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:14 pm

Hand 1 --- you played fine. Your CB was called you shut down. Cant fold to the min-bet since your a and q may be good. I fold the river as well.

Hand 2 --- I dont make that PFR but i dont mind it. The CB is standard. I also like the turn bet against players that will fold. The A is a scare card so use it. At $50 level though, its standard to just check.

Hand 3 --- I do make that CB. UTG limp-calls are often PPs. (atleast against solid opponents) So a CB Will often work. I also dont recommend bluffing a bad player. Like Stone said anybody that limp-calls UTG with a weak ace is a bad player and is probably not gonna fold. You played this hand well.
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Postby Smokin'Al » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:54 pm

Hand 1 is fine. Probably good discipline to raise his donk bet.

Hand 2 ... (definitely raise this pre-flop) ... tricky. Shutting down after the flop is definitely fine. I feel the higher variance/higher expectation move is to bet most turns as he is drawing a high % of the time here. I might not bet the A though, and I'd definitely bet more. As played you can fold the river.

Hand 3 ... fine. Definitely don't bet that turn. I like betting the flop particularly if there's a flush draw out there. Consider calling a river bet unless you feel the opponent is too passive to bluff the missed draw (probably the case at FR $50?)
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Postby mwgr5 » Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:44 pm

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Postby Smokin'Al » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:31 pm

I'm also interested in rationale for limping 88 vs raising.

I play mostly 6 max, so my radar might be off, but this raise seemed v standard (ie to the point where I'd consider limping a - small - mistake)
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Postby Yenool » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:51 am

With a $1 bb and a $50 stack I may raise more preflop,
Anyway, hand one, I play preflop and on the flop like that, nothing wrong with a CB....

His turn bet looks like typical donk 'let me draw for free' type bet, but if he is any good it could be a 'please re-raise and be my bitch' type bet... I have got into the habbit of raising this type of bet quite strongly, more often than not they will fold, but obviously when they don't you are in trouble.... In this hand I would probably raise his turn bet to $10, but I do have a problem with AQ!! Fold the river all day long, he either played a set in a bizare way (hoping you would catch up) or his turn bet was a drawing bet and he made his crappy str8 on the river. DONK.

Hand two, at the right table with the correct table image I don't mind raising 88 here, if I have been ultra tight and I know I can get paid off if I do hit the set and get a CB bet through if I miss, but I wouldn't raise it as a standard play.
Once you are called on the flop you either have to fold or make a bigger bluff on the turn, your turn bet isn't getting him to fold this hand often enough to be any good.

Hand 3, your read tells you he is weak, do you want to try and push him off this hand? Is he the type of fish that will fold, or will he check-call down for a whole stack with top pair no-kicker? I raise more on the flop and then shut down like you did.
Against a better player I might be tempted to bet big on the turn to try and represent AK... / AQ to move him off a weaker ace, but not many decent players will limp call utg with a weak ace anyway.
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