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Postby iceman5 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:39 pm

$200NL at Tribeca.

A rare solid tight player at Tribeca gets outdrawn in a big pot. He makes a comment in chat and calls the guy a stupid fish or something like that. The very next hand and immediatley after making the comment, he open pushes all in preflop for his last $127.

What do you need to call him with?
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:48 pm

Thats a very good "move"... I wouldn't wanna call without a really serious hand, as I'm pretty sure he's not pushing crap...
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:55 pm

OK, so what is a serious enough hand to call?

AJ?
TT?
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Postby ua1176 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:43 pm

most of the time i see this from a good player, it's AA/KK/AK.

AJ is an easy fold. probably just fold TT too. there's really no need to invest 60bb here without having any idea if he's tilted or not.
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Postby tunkpirate7 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:40 pm

Did he comment before or after he had seen his cards?



before - AQ, QQ+
After- kings, aces, AK if someone else that he has covered it calls it (I'd guess most people would just call with any pair against him after that, giving you a large advantage with AK)


I've seen it before, about half and half as to whether they actually have something and not. Generally good players don't push all in on anything awful though
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:18 pm

He was commenting before the cards were dealt and instapushed when it came to him. I think he was UTG+1 so it was really quick
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Postby Zmej » Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:10 am

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Postby Stelvask » Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:57 am

solid players are far less likely to tilt.

I think this is a "move" as it seems to be called in this thread.

you didn't say what your position at the table was. are you right after him? or are you the BB? the hand you need to call in each of those cases is different.

From the BB, i'd consider calling with AK if i felt like gambling. If i'm right behind him, i fold JJ without hesitation. Why? i may have him beat, but do i really want to put in that much of a stack preflop with people left to act behind me? not a chance.

I'm not sure exactly how big of a hand i'd need to call him, but against your average player, from the BB, for about... a 3/5 stack, i'm calling with any pair TT+, and maybe AK. assuming that there's still stacks left to act behind me, i'm probably only calling AA/KK, and maybe QQ.

I just don't think it's worth it to call with a mediocore holding here. He's going to outdraw you often enough/have the best hand occasionaly, and then the added risk of someone waking up behind is too much.

Yes, his range is bigger than normal, but this isn't the best spot to gamble, IMO.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:57 am

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