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Overcard and a donk bet: 20SHNL

Postby geiststaat » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:17 am

Reads on opponents:
UTG is very loose passive. Limps every other hand or so. He will chase flushes for any price and only bets when he hits, in which case he pushes all his chips in.

MP has some deception to his game and seems capable of some thought while playing. He has min-raised twice before, one of which was a suited A-T. He has tried to steal pots in the past but gives up when called and just checks down.

UTG limps, MP min raises (40c). I have TT in the cutoff and raise to $1.40. UTG and MP call.

Flop: [Kh] [9h] [3s] ($4.50)
UTG checks, MP bets $1.40, Hero...?
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Postby hard2tel » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:10 am

meh. looks like some kind of draw or a 9 or something i think. Call and reevaluate turn.
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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:09 am

Fold...geebus man, look for better spots!
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Re: Overcard and a donk bet: 20SHNL

Postby RedBarracuda » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:43 am

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Re: Overcard and a donk bet: 20SHNL

Postby Notorious_JC » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:02 pm

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Postby geiststaat » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:46 pm

Sorry, left out some info. My image is TAG, but only the MP is capable of thinking about what his opponents might have, which is what makes his bet size interesting. Stacks are about $15 (UTG), $22 (MP), and I cover.

Interesting that all three options have been defended. I'm inclined to think that each option is viable when this sort of thing happens, but door number two is certainly the lower variance play, and I tend to be partial to that line. This time, however, I took door number one and called, as did UTG.

Turn: [5c] ($8.70)
UTG checks, MP bets $1.60, Hero...?
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Postby RedBarracuda » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:44 pm

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Postby geiststaat » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:09 am

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Postby black_knight6 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:12 pm

You only raise a donk bet if you have fold equity...I doubt you do on SUCH a draw heavy board...raising the donk bet here is very bad. You get called by all manner of hands and have absolutely no idea where you stand...and if you check the turn then you have a horrible river decision if they lead into you...save your time, energy AND MONEY, by folding that flop.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:27 pm

Folding the flop seems bad. I like calling and if he leads weak on a brick turn, then raise.
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Postby tommyhawk » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:13 am

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Postby Jossnaz » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:00 pm

First of all i think all posters play better poker than me

You have no stats on them do you?
I'm always tempted to mess with the better players at the table which is -EV a lot. Personally vs minraises of experienced players i started to sometimes raise big time preflop. I sometimes raise 8xbb without reason too. People often get intimidated and think "i'll call and kick his ass with the 2 pairs or better i'll hit on the flop" and then they check and fold. So I follow the line of bk and red just lately gave me a hint again to raise more and it worked well the last 1000 hands. 4x the bb and 1bb per limper is the minimum especially since villain minraised I see no way to only raise 1.40. Make it 2.4 preflop or play around with it and find out whether people are calling you. Compared to what a big raise gives you later in the hand this 1 dollar is nothing especially when you're playing with cs. And when the time is ready and you look down at KK and you make it 8xBB nobody gets surprised.

personally the way i wanna play vs passiv calling station is with TPHK
you say it yourself, you're not chasing him out if he's on the fd or something stupid like a gutshot draw.
As played the turn I fold as CS called and he very well could be on K2o calling you down to the river
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