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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:50 pm

$200 NL at Cake

I have [As][3h] in the SB. 2 limpers and I check

Pot $8. Flop [Ac][3c][6c]. My default play here is to check and see what happens. So I check. MP bet $20 into this $8 pot. He has a total of $110. It folds back to me. What do I do?
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Postby T-Rod » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:54 pm

LOL 20 into an 8 pot.

I think you can make a good case for folding or flat shoving.

Shoving is good because he's 1/2 stacked and just stupidly overbet the pot which means he's a donk.

Folding is good because even donks hit there hand and you really haven't invested much here so no reads or pot committedness.

I lean towards fold.
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Postby Zuccala » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:58 pm

C/R to $60. If he pushes fold as he probably has a flush (as a set is unlikley as u have a A3). You dont have the odds to boat cause if he pushes its $50 to you and $198 in the pot and you would need over $250ish to make it viable.. He could have a bunch of stuff here like a pair and a FD oroverbet looks like a TP/MK type hand trying to protect the pot from people drawing to the one card flush. Either way I dont wanna see another [c] or him continue here.
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Postby Starkes » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:15 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:19 pm

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Postby Zuccala » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:23 pm

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Postby Starkes » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:46 pm

It's because he is short that i don't like the CR to 60 b/c if he calls and you turn a club, you are going to be in a very tough spot since he won't have much left.
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Postby 80Proof » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:51 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:56 am

It seems to me that when someone overbets the pot by this much, he wants to take it down right now to avoid getting outdrawn. I would say he has something like [As][Td] and doesnt want a [c] to fall on the turn.

I could call but if a club falls, what do I do? If Im right about his hand you would think he wouldnt put any more money in the pot, but since his ridiculous bet tells me hes a donk, who knows what he will do even without a club. What if I check to him and he all of the sudden decides that the 4th club scares me and he bets anyway?

I guess what Im saying is that this bet is weird enough that its pretty obvious he doesnt know what hes doing so I cant play it like a normal hand.

Hes obviously pretty proud of his hand right now, so why not check raise all in before he chickens out?
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:24 am

Check-raising to $60 and folding to a shove is really really really bad.

Just shove the flop.
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Postby Cooper » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:28 am

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Postby Triple B » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:52 am

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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:20 am

My read when someone overbets a monotone flop like this is that they normally have TP and no card of the flush suit. They want to take it down right now without getting outdrawn.

I reraised all in. He called with [Kd][Kh]. Yes, thats right, he didnt even have the [Kc]
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