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Postby black_knight6 » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:38 pm

Hello, my name is black_knight6 and I'm a nit.

I run around 15/9 and make 5+ptbb/100 +RB + bonus. Strengths are reading hands and getting max value from monsters.

However, since I'm a nit, my 3 betting range is basically QQ+. I rarely even 3bet AK...ugh! So embarrassed.

I want to know how to play hands like AQ/AJ and TT in position as the pf 3 bettor.

1: AQo in CO, MP raises and I repop pot to 14, only they call. Flop comes J84 two tone...line?
Bet 3/4 pot and shut down?

2: Same hand and situation. Flop comes AJ4 rainbow...line? Same? Check behind turn and call river?

3: Same hand and situation. Flop comes Q93 two tone...line?

Thanks.
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Postby Xaston » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:01 am

It depends?
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Re: Some 6 Max Q's

Postby shamdonk » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:03 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


(9:00:09 PM) GodlikeRoy: i think you could prolly post total shit for the next 2 years aaaaand like 192 days and you'll still be considered 'posting good' cause of your threads that'll never be seen thread
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Postby NorthView » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:50 am

CB will take it down 90% of the time. The other 10% is down to reads.
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When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

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[21:03] NorthViewBTP: mac is a fellow mexican
[21:03] Mekosking: yup
[21:03] NorthViewBTP: you should support your bro
[21:03] Mekosking: therefore hes a fat worthless tsr obv
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Postby NorthView » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:53 am

Mon May 12, 2008 1:46 am
When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

Mon May 12, 2008 10:55 pm
Seriously, fuck poker.
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[21:03] NorthViewBTP: mac is a fellow mexican
[21:03] Mekosking: yup
[21:03] NorthViewBTP: you should support your bro
[21:03] Mekosking: therefore hes a fat worthless tsr obv
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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:02 am

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Postby Xaston » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:53 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:50 am

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Postby Zmej » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:18 am

I will join 'that depends' crowd. :)
And IMO the best way of learing how to do it is to play reraised pots and post HH for discussion.

Though some factors on what it depends:
1. Stakes, in my experience 3 betting is rare below 200NL and is mostly done done with QQ+, sometimes with AK. If you play againsta typical opponent assume this range when you play against a 3bettor. If you want to 3 bet yourself with a wider range, it will depend on how people adapt to it. Some will start calling down you lighly (if you do that a lot) some will just fold.
2. Personally I don't like to develop 3bet dynamics. IMO it makes more difficult taking money from fish and creates tension in the game. I went so far as discouraging 3betting from some of the regulars. (May be that's not very ethical, though.) When one guy 3 bet me like 3 times, I stand up, sit in position to him and 3 bet him with the first opportunity (I had K3s), he folded. Then I 3 bet him again, took it on CB. He left shortly after that. I even think that if I will have to deal with it again I will search such regulars on other tables, sit in position and start to 3 bet them. Once again I think that 3 betting is not good for my games, concerning taking money from fish. (Don't 3 bet fish!)
3. Finally, some general rules of thumb for playing 3 bet pots. Hand ranges for your opponent s change a lot in comparison to a normal raised pot. How they change exactly depend s on oppoennt. (Basically look how often they fold to your 3 bet.) Effective stacks become more shallow. In a raised pot you have about 7BB pot on flop, and almost 100BB to play with (1/15 ratio), so you can occaionally fold TPTK. While in reraised pots you have about 24BB pot on flop, and 90 BB to play with (1/4ratio) here TPTK becomes a monster hand, that rarely should be folded (effectively you play shortstack).
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Postby Zmej » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:20 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby Xaston » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:28 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Re: Some 6 Max Q's

Postby Zmej » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:43 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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