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Postby Xaston » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:50 pm

Here are two hands from today's session, looking for feedback/thoughts. No reads because paying attention to opponents tendencies is for live poker. Gametime+ doesn't really work when you make tiny stars tables, so I don't even have stats. You're welcome for the help in analyzing the hands :lol:


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Postby Stelvask » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:05 pm

hand 1: i think i've played with utreg before, and i seem to remember him being solid. but this is just memory, and not based on stats. That being said, i have to imagine you have 13 outs going to the river. however, i'm not sure how much folding equity you have. Your'e not playing this at all like a set, and it seems obvious that he's got a big overpair here. While you certainly have some folding equity, i don't particuarlly think you have a lot. It really looks like you're trying to protect a weak 9 here. Unless you know the guy to be a WT, i think this play might be a mistake.

Unfortunatly, if you check, he'll likely be betting $150-$225 here, leaving you ~200 behind if you call. The check raise all in will be too small to be really effective, and you're left trying to hit one of these outs. The plus side to this way though is he'll be almost committed to call any river. This means you won't be able to bluff it, but if you hit you definatly stack him.

Either way, this is going to be a marginal hand. Being OOP against a preflop reraiser sucks.

hand 2: Once again, OOP sucks balls.

I've played a lot with dirkdigler, and he's a winning player. That being said, hell even with the lack of a read like you've got. YOuYou have to ask yourself, " what kind of hand is he going to call a bet and a raise with on this flop?".

can he have 9x here? It's possible, yeah. But would he really call after you raise with that?
how about a draw? even less likely - most decent players won't call here with any sort of draw, not only because they don't have odds, but because of the chance of getting reraised by the initial better.
How about an overpair? Not likely - he probably would have reraised preflop. And even if he wasn't going to, once again, would he really call the bet and the raise? probably not.

So what can he have? T8? seems very possible. it is 6-max, and he might be trying to trap here. a set? once again, possible. He could have smooth called on the flop hoping to trap one or both of you. Though, probably aiming at you.
how about two pair? 97, and 76 are just as likely as T8 here, and he could have decided to wait until the turn and see what you did there.
How about a really big draw, like [8h][6h] or [4h][5h]? possible, but i think he'd be pushing either of those on the flop. of course, 54 just got there, and 86 might feel comitted.

So, this all being said. The range of hands that can fold to your bet could not have called your flop raise. Since he called your flop raise, the range of hands he can have are almost all now calling you. With the possible exceptions of 76, [8h][6h], and *maybe* 97, if he's really weak tight.

I don't think you have much, if any, folding equity here. As much as you want to hit your flush, you need to give up this pot.


I really think you're just spewing in both of these hands. As much as you want to make your hand, you can't just push any time you have a draw - you need to have folding equity, i just don't see it in these two.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:11 pm

hand 1 i don't know what you're representing which means it's not a good bluff (or semi bluff) imho.

hand 2 has been something i've been working on. most of my opponents are unable to find a fold on the turn and i keep getting the money in w/ the worst hand. i now will lead pot with this hand and try the 3 bet.. or if he calls just go from there. i've gotten called on the turn there with things like second pair before.
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Postby Xaston » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:25 pm

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Postby Dumb Snowman » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:42 pm

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Postby kennyg » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:07 pm

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Postby kennyg » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:17 pm

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Postby Xaston » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:49 pm

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Postby Xaston » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:07 pm

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