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Value bet gone south 400$ 6max

Postby gsdavid » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:19 pm

Preflop
Again table full of donks..I prefer much more like 2-3 sharks 2 fish 1 nit and me. That way I will have usually max 2 callers when I raise. I find this most profitable for me lol.
I have 400 but none of the villains have me covered completely. All I know is that they are not regulars. So no reads since this is like my first hand at the table. UTG limps, MP limps and I raise it to 24$ in OTB w/ [Qs] [Kh] since its 5 handed. Whole table besides BB calls. So its 4 of us to the flop.

Flop
[2c] [4c] [5s] Pot 100$
A nice, big pot..and I've hit nothing on it. Its checked to me and I check obviously.

Turn
[Qh] Pot: 100$
Its checked to me again and at this point my thinking is that most sets or better hands would bet out now since they will not have a chance to CR me. I decide to bet 50$ just to charge draws and entice calls from lower PP's, gutshots and maybe even 5x. However..this is when things get ugly. SB calls my raise and has 310$ behind. Then all of sudden UTG pushes for 160$. MP folds. At this point I have no idea about my hand strength besides that I have 1 pair of queens, king kicker. I decide to call since AQ from UTG is kinda unlikely as well as stronger hands for above mentioned reasons. Now SB calls the raise as well.

River
[8h] Pot: 578$
1 player all-in already. SB checks and at this point i suspect that shortstack has me beat. Since obviously 3 players called large raise on turn, TP2nd kick is no good usually. But at this point I'm considering betting river since SB took a quite weak line, he could have a lower Qx, such as QJ QT or busted draw. So i decide to push and hopefully get my money back if I'm behind shorstack's hand.

please help :)
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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:36 pm

FIRST, learn to LOVE playing with donks. Sure you have to hit flops, but be patient cuz when you do, they pay you off SO much. So much, in fact, that you'll be surprised how easy and stress free their money is.

SECOND, if you don't think you can beat the all in, you have to figure out if TPHK is good vs him...if you think your'e good AND he'll call with a hand you beat often enough, then push...but I'd be more inclined to just bet 150 which looks SO weak that it will get called by a huge range that you beat.
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