Dealt KJs in LP and call after two limpers.
Flop comes 4s :8d :jh
Villain leads out for 4 from UTG, one call in UTG +1and I make it 12. Villain min-raises it to 20, and UTG+1 folds. I decide to call and see the turn for 8 bucks.
Turn brings a 10d and he leads out for 20 bucks and I fold. I have no idea where I'm at and don't feel like playing a big pot with top pair King kicker. Does anyone call here?
Weak turn fold? (100nl FR)
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Weak turn fold? (100nl FR)
by Dumb Snowman » Wed May 10, 2006 9:50 pm
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by Dumb Snowman » Wed May 10, 2006 9:51 pm
Assume full stacks, btw.
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by GodlikeRoy » Wed May 10, 2006 9:57 pm
I probably fold that flop to be honest, he leads out then min-re-raises you on a pretty much drawless board, and he limped UTG so I don't really see much that you beat at that point apart from a pure bluff..
Definitely fold that turnt hough as played..
Definitely fold that turnt hough as played..
Poker is silly.
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Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.
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by Dumb Snowman » Wed May 10, 2006 10:09 pm
Can I really fold the flop to a min-raise with the ammount in the pot?
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by GodlikeRoy » Wed May 10, 2006 10:17 pm
Put it this way.. You're almost certainly going to have to put more money in the pot down the line too if you're behind, whereas if you're ahead you're unlikely to get any more money out of the villian..
Poker is silly.
It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.
Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.
It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.
Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.
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by Dumb Snowman » Wed May 10, 2006 10:22 pm
Ah good point. In the heat of battle my thinking was basically, "I'm getting like 4-1 with top pair second kicker on a pretty decent board" 
Oh well, first mistake of the week 
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Re: Weak turn fold? (100nl FR)
by shamdonk » Wed May 10, 2006 11:19 pm
Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.
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Re: Weak turn fold? (100nl FR)
by Dumb Snowman » Wed May 10, 2006 11:32 pm
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by GodlikeRoy » Wed May 10, 2006 11:43 pm
Poker is silly.
It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.
Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.
It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.
Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.
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by kennyg » Wed May 10, 2006 11:44 pm
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Re: Weak turn fold? (100nl FR)
by Molina » Thu May 11, 2006 6:28 am
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by JSBC » Thu May 11, 2006 7:15 am
Probably sounds like what everyone's already said.
The flop raise is decent, you defined your hand. Then when villain came back over the top, I think you have to fold here. Even though you're getting 4-1 to call, you could possibly be around a 19-1 dog (vs. a set.... is that even the right odds?) or as good as three outs (assuming he has AJ), but even if you had three clean outs, 4-1 is a bad price.
The flop raise is decent, you defined your hand. Then when villain came back over the top, I think you have to fold here. Even though you're getting 4-1 to call, you could possibly be around a 19-1 dog (vs. a set.... is that even the right odds?) or as good as three outs (assuming he has AJ), but even if you had three clean outs, 4-1 is a bad price.
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by Zmej » Thu May 11, 2006 9:48 am
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by shamdonk » Thu May 11, 2006 9:58 am
Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.
(9:00:09 PM) GodlikeRoy: i think you could prolly post total shit for the next 2 years aaaaand like 192 days and you'll still be considered 'posting good' cause of your threads that'll never be seen thread
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