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Postby iceman5 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:23 am

#1) I raise to $20 with [Ks][Qs]. Decent button player calls as does the BB.

Pot $60. Flop [Qc][Ts][4s]. BB checks, I bet $40. Button raises to $120 and its folded back to me. If I call the extra $80, I have $490 behind and he has me covered. I think for a while and then shove all in. Standard?

#2) I raise to $25 with [As][Kc]. The BB calls. Hes pretty good but clearly tilting after after a bad beat and a horrible call by him on large flop all in (guy flopped a flush).

Pot $55. Flop [Ac][5c][2c]. He checks and I check behind. He has about $450 and I have him covered. Im not sure I want to play for a stack here if he check raises although I would never fold in that spot.

Pot $55. Turn [9d]. He check / calls my $30 bet.
Pot $115. River [Tc]. He checks and I bet $150.

#3) I limp [As][5s] UTG. I know , you hate it...blah blah blah.. A guy who appears to be very good raises to $25 on the button after another limper. Hes raising the button religiously and Im looking to slow him down. We both have about $1600.

I call the raise as does another good player who claims to play $10/$20 NL at Ladbrokes (Gangster22 if anyone has seen him).

Pot $85ish. Flop [8c][2s][4s]. I check, other guy checks, Button bets $40. I make it $140. Thoughts?
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Postby Zmej » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:42 am

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Postby T-Rod » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:39 pm

Hand 1) I know its standard to push, and I'm not saying that's wrong; however, I think you really need to incorporate a read here. Online, your typical guy calls with the FD and maybe calls with AK getting a bit trappy. Whenever he raises, its a set 85% of the time.

So is this guy a calling station type? If so, I think you're behind. If he's good, I think you are behind but have some FE. If he's typical, the I like a lot and assume he can't fold a K there.


Hand 2) I really like a flop bet there and if he's tilting, you should want to play for your stack with TPTK and a nut flush, no?

Hand 3) I like.
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Postby k3nt » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:23 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:19 pm

#1) The dude tanked for the longest Ive ever seen. Nobody called a clock on him which was strange because I saw the clock get called at least 7-8 times in the past 4 days. He picked up his cards like he was going to muck them but then finally called. He had [Ac][Qd].

Turn another Q
River another 4 and we split the pot.

In my opinon his call is amatuer hour at best. Of course several guys at the table said "nice call dude!". But we all know that he will never be way ahead here (unless Im on a stone cold bluff) and he will be way behind alot of the time to AA / KK / QQ / TT. People just dont make plays like this very much live and I think the table was pretty much afraid of me after this hand. I think it probably IS standard for good online players but live, its very rare in my experience.

#2) I obviously couldve bet the flop and it may well be better. I overbet the river on purpose because he either has the [Qc] or isnt calling a dime. He called with [Qc][Tc] and proceeded to tilt off the rest of his chips after flopping a flush and losing..

#3) I just cant believe that bet / get raised / push can possibly be correct when youre 3 stacks deep. If hes good at all, and I think he is, he knows another good player would almost never do that with a set (for 3 stacks), so I dont think hes folding AA / KK. Now with the decent sized check raise, he has to know that I have a big hand and he may have to pay with a huge portion of his stack to get to showdown so I think he folds AA / KK much quicker here. He did fold.
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Postby Twelver » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:11 pm

how can he have [Qc] [Tc] in hand 2 when the river is the [Tc]?
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:01 am

OK, the river was some [c]. I dont remember which one, but he had [Qc][Tc] for sure.
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Postby Stoneburg » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:28 am

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