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Postby Calaziar » Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:27 pm

All comments on all streets are appreciated. Villain is 'weak tight' using excessions' 10 man PT rules over 50+ hands. I'm attempting to play a LAG style keeping in mind that at these limits I have to be more willing to SD a decent hand at times...
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.15
UTG+1: $12.15
MP1: $4.30
MP2: $3.25
CO: $6.80
Hero: $10.55
SB: $9.90
BB: $2.80

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with [6d] [5d]
UTG raises to $0.45, 4 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: [6c] [Tc] [7s] ($1.05, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.5, Hero calls.

Turn: [9d] ($2.05, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $2.3, UTG calls.

River: [4h] ($6.65, 2 players)
UTG checks, [color=#cc0000]Hero ?
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Postby Ichoi » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:04 pm

Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with excessions rules. To me, weak tight means that he's playing mostly premium hands and calls too much postflop. Furthermore, I've never played .05/.1 NL...

Also note that I suck at NL and am just learning myself.

Preflop: Fold, Im not calling a tight player,even if he is weak postflop, with 56s even on the button for 4.5x headsup. If a few others had called, I'd think about it. If he makes it 3x, I'm probably in, but not 4.5x. The whole idea of implied odds shrinks. He's not even playing a full stack... only 4/5 of one.

Flop: Fold, call,and raise are all 'meh'. I really don't like any of them. Probably why I wouldn't want to play for so much preflop headsup against a tight player. I think raising is probably best. I raise to $2/$2.25. If he calls I'm done with the hand if I don't improve. The nice thing is that you can take the free card if he does call. (I believe if he calls he has you beat 95% of the time, 5% he has AK/AQ [prob AK] of clubs)

Turn: His weak bet is probably real weakness. That doesn't mean he doesn't have an overpair that he won't laydown, but he's scared. A big raise here might take it down. Im a bit biased though, I assume players at this limit don't like to fold overpairs ever even in spots like this. I honestly have never played that low so I don't know. Still though, I feel like this raise is a bit small. Pot raise would be like $3.50, I probably make it $3 here if I'm going to try to move him off his hand.

River: $6.50 pot, he's got around $5 left. Honestly I just don't believe he folds here. He might. If you bet and he folded, I really believe he had AK/AQ clubs.

Also note, assuming I got into that spot on the turn, it makes the river play a lot easier, since he'll have less to call into a bigger pot, which means he is almost never folding unless he has the AK/AQ/whatever of clubs and no pair/straight. In which case, you still win by checking behind.
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Postby Calaziar » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:22 pm

Excession's Weak-Tight criteria is 'went to showdown percentage is between 1.00 and 13. As it is the fourth rule it also excludes certain other behaviors that would override it:
"X-Loose (Vp$iP 55%+)
Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 55.00 and 99.00
Calling Station
Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.00
Went To Showdown % is between 30.00 and 99.00
Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 22.00
Showdown Muppet
Won $ At Showdown % is between 1.00 and 29.00
Went To Showdown % is greater than 15.00
Ultra-Aggressor
Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 2.75
Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than or equal to 1.70
Aggression Factor - River is greater than or equal to 1.7"
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Postby ua1176 » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:48 pm

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