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Postby MTPaid » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:26 pm

Seat 1: poesneus ($9,700 in chips)
Seat 2: lctom235 ($13,527 in chips)
Seat 3: tbf1020 ($1,900 in chips)
Seat 4: torkyld ($13,820 in chips)
Seat 5: MILW FATS ($13,796 in chips)
Seat 6: Micky-- ($2,410 in chips)
Seat 7: skiller32 ($7,370 in chips)
Seat 8: PayMeDaMoney ($5,880 in chips)
Seat 9: c rayz walz ($16,357 in chips)
Seat 10: newtfoolin ($9,250 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
c rayz walz posts blind ($300)
newtfoolin posts blind ($600).

PRE-FLOP
Folded to PayMeDaMoney w/ [6d][6s]

Considering chip sizes what do you do? Fold, Limp, Raise, or All-in?
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Postby The Golden 1 » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:13 am

Not much of a MTT player, but given the 900 from the blinds and your 5400 stack, I'd say you're all in most every time.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:09 am

Your M is between 6 and 7--Orange Zone--which means you aren't forced into an all in, but you will be soon.

If you push here, you're negating your position advantage. You're barely ahead of any overcards. The BB wouldn't be hurt badly if he called you with any 2, in which he's almost a coinflip. Unless he's squeaky tight, he's getting good odds to call you.

If you raise 3X BB, you've put half your chips in the pot, which is definitely NOT good. However, you also have position, could push the flop and may only be behind if the BB calls and gets a piece of the flop higher than your sixes, which could easily happen. However, regardless of what comes on the flop, he's going to have a hard time calling with a middle or bottom pair.

If you raise 3X BB, you'll have an M of 3 if you're reraised and decide to fold, which puts you all in within the next round with perhaps a better hand than 66, which may actually be better. Or you could call his reraise.

I think you have very little fold equity here. I wouldn't push. This may be wrong mathmatically and probably would be the lone vote against pushing, but that's my play here.

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Postby MTPaid » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:05 pm

Cactus, your answer is raise 3x BB?
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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:08 pm

Yes, and bet the flop regardless of what flops.
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Postby MTPaid » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:11 pm

PayMeDaMoney bets $2,000
c rayz walz calls $1,700
newtfoolin folds.

FLOP [8c][9h][4d]

We think alike. $2000 seemed to be the going rate to get folds on this table at this point in the tourny. It would still leave me enough for one more all-in if I got raised. BB did fold, but the SB called unexpectedly. He seemed to be rather reckless so far.

c rayz walz checks

Your move???
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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:39 pm

Push. He most likely has two overcards. It had to be a bad flop for him. If he paired something on the board, he's pretty much a donkey. Put him to the test. Not likely you're going to get a better opportunity.

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Postby Dumb Snowman » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:28 pm

I'd say push or fold. Raising that much gives you little fold equity preflop, and not very much postflop. so if he decided to call with Ax and hit, you're screwed. Might as well make him pay if he wants to call with a crappy hand.
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Postby MTPaid » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:23 pm

Floppy, he checked. Why would I fold?

Hands that he may have called with that beat me at this point (A9, A8, 99, 88, 77, A4, 44)
He probably would have re-raised with any pocket pair higher.
Hands that he may have called with that I am ahead of now, but want him to fold (JT, JQ)
Anything else I probably want a call because I am probably way ahead of him with 2 cards left. True he can hit an OC and beat me, but I need chips at this point, not a fold to an all-in.

If I push and he has me beat, he calls probably because as I've said he is a little reckless and won't drop A9, 77, or even A4 here.

If I push and I'm ahead, he folds and I don't get the rest of his chips. The only 2 hands I gain against here are JT and JQ. If he has neither one of these hands I want him to call.

PayMeDaMoney bets $2,000
c rayz walz calls $2,000

Turn: [5s]

[board cards [8c][9h][4d][5s]

c rayz walz checks

Not even going to insult your intelligence here because it is an easy all-in here.

PayMeDaMoney bets $1,880 and is all-in
c rayz walz calls $1,880

River: [4c]

Considering how he played the hand, what do you think he has and who wins?
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Postby flafishy » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:05 pm

My guess is he probably had a small PP, or an A-rag where the rag probably paired the board somehow?
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Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:08 am

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Postby MTPaid » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:53 pm

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Postby TexasKowboy » Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:47 pm

LOL he couldn't let go of AK. Wish I had a dollar for everytime I've seen it happen.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:22 am

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