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Betting draws

Postby Aisthesis » Wed May 31, 2006 8:04 pm

Thinking about betting strategies, I just came up with the following table for betting draws and wondered what others think. It's obviously a bit oversimplified, as such generalizations are, but it seems to me like a fairly reasonable guideline.

Anyhow, here's the table:

Bet: LP: 8-outer; MP: 11-outer; EP: 13-outer
Call: LP: 13-outer; MP: 13-outer
Raise: LP: 17-outer

I'm suggesting calling in MP as a rule with the 17-outer because you'd like more players in the pot.

Also, I'm DEFINING MP here as having 1 or 2 players left to act. LP is when you're last to act, and EP is having more than 2 players to act.

If the game is pretty aggressive, defined as very likely to get an LP bet, then one can modify MP and EP as follows:

Bet: MP: 8-outer; EP: 13-outer
Checkraise: MP: 13-outer; EP: 17-outer
Call: MP: 17-outer

Another possible addition to this, again an oversimplification but possibly a decent guideline: Count non-nut outs at 1/2 value (e.g., non-nut flush, non-nut straights). That's obviously pretty variable, since you can sometimes count such outs pretty much at full value (e.g., you're certainly up against a set, probably not with the flush draw, too) or at absolutely no value (there's definitely a nut flush draw in the hand).

Anyhow, there are a number of interesting issues here on which I'd appreciate opinions, such as whether check-calling at an aggro table is a stronger move than check-raising (?). Also, I'm classifying the minimal bettable draw in LP as an 8-outer, basically an open-ender and nothing else on a rainbow board.

I'm well-aware that the whole thing is oversimplified, but I'd be interested in whether others agree with this in general principle, just as basic rule of thumb.

Looking at this more, I think it probably needs some revisions, but I'll post it in current form just to get some initial responses.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed May 31, 2006 8:05 pm

I tend to be a bit looser in my calling requirements.
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Postby jaVinci » Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:58 am

What about stack sizes?
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