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Postby GooperMC » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:17 pm

Game #1625098774: Omaha H/L PL ($0.50/$1) - 2006/02/04 - 03:04:41 (UK)
Table "Gulfport" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 2: PupTheCat ($93 in chips)
Seat 3: Davemac ($137.09 in chips)
Seat 4: gso420 ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Giggle002 ($145.88 in chips)
Seat 7: budwiser ($19.38 in chips)
Seat 8: ozcanuck ($111.63 in chips)
Seat 9: Sitblind ($195.72 in chips)
Seat 10: staysharp ($25.95 in chips)
budwiser: posts small blind $0.50
ozcanuck sits out
Sitblind: posts big blind $1

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to PupTheCat [3s] [Jh] [Js] [As]
staysharp: calls $1
PupTheCat: calls $1
Davemac: folds
gso420: folds
Giggle002: raises to $5.50
budwiser: folds
Sitblind: calls $4.50
staysharp: calls $4.50
PupTheCat: calls $4.50

----- FLOP ----- [3c] [Qd] [Ts]
Sitblind: bets $4
staysharp: calls $4
PupTheCat: calls $4
Giggle002: calls $4

----- TURN ----- [3c] [Qd] [Th] [3h]
Sitblind: bets $10
staysharp: folds
PupTheCat: calls $10
Giggle002: folds

----- RIVER ----- [3c] [Qd] [Th] [3h] [Qh]
Sitblind: checks
PupTheCat: checks

Sitblind and Giggle002 are both manics. However, they both have the sense to fold when played back at.

I am a little iffy on all streets, so comment please.
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Postby Kuso » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:52 pm

how are you winning money again? :twisted:

preflop

i think that it's questionable to call the raise. there are already three people in the pot, so you probably have an A2 out there, and possibly a bigger PP. if you think you have huge implied odds if you hit your hand (doesn't seem like it given post flop play), then maybe a call can be justified. keep in mind that you need to have a 2 and no A and no 3 preferably with a J or a spade draw on the flop to be happy. too many "ands" for me.

flop

based on the desired flop i described above, you completely whiffed. dump it.

turn

ok, you decided to play and probably got the best you could hope for. now what? smells like a trap hand to me.

river

well, you made it this far. two draws hit on that river, so now might be a good time to take a stab at the pot. as i often value bet the river with the goods, i would also bluff with a value bet looking bet (e.g., half pot). your style may vary. if it gets repopped, i dump. honestly, i think that this is the best way to win this hand. your trip 3s might be good, but you get beat by a janky flush or trip Qs -- hands that beat you that you might get to fold. it would be useful to know what villain's fold to river bet % was or simply whether he was a CS or not..
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Postby Kuso » Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:27 am

wwcrd?

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Postby Kuso » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:34 am

wwcrd?

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:55 pm

I'd probably say it's marginal on most streets, but I don't think I can find great fault with your play anywhere. That hand is definitely a call PF IMO, I can't see dropping A3 suited with a high pair to a single raise. Flop you're probably just about OK to call; I don't think you have as many as 7 implied outs here but it's only 4 bucks into a 30 pot. I would be less inclined to call as you're not closing the betting and a player you described as "manic" is yet to act.

Turn play seems OK as his betting hasn't exactly screamed he flopped a set. In fact, I'd probably be more inclined to raise here, someone might've had 3T or something on the flop but I'd reckon you're winning with this card more than 50% of the time, and you don't want to give cheap cards with a number of draws on board and a fairly vulnerable low trips. Also, if he DOES have a boat, I would guess he'd re-raise quite often and so you could bail here rather than facing a tricky decision on the river.

There is no reason whatsoever to bet the river.
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