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Line check (2/4 PLO) blind battle with AKK4ds

Postby GodlikeRoy » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:17 pm

No reads on the villain. Raising the turn sucks right? And I have to VB this river right? Can I call though?

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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:38 pm

I don't see how yoou can NOT raise the turn when you have such a huge hand. 9 clubs, 9 spades and two jacks will win it for you giving you 20 outs AND two K's could be good AND you may already be ahead*. So I definetely raise the turn.

Definetely VB the river but I don't think I have ever called a mini-CR on the river here and had the best hand, so you should probably fold it although it is of course hard to do... which is why they miniCR you.



* He could have AKJ2 with clubs for example.
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Postby Aisthesis » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:51 pm

Hmmmm... if you're behind on the river, you definitely don't have all of those outs--which isn't to say you shouldn't raise it.

I'm not sure about the river laydown, though, in a HU pot. QQ and nut clubs beat you, clubs are runner-runner. I'm really more worried about QQ, but I think I have to call it anyway.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:52 pm

I like the play all the way, I think. I could go either way on raising the turn - I really don't see you being far behind here, and his bet looks a little weak - I think the pot's big enough to take a shot at, knowing you're likely close to 50/50 anyhow if it resolves into an all-in vs straight situation. There's some value to appearing to be very aggressive in this game too. But, basically, I like your play a lot.

I find it hard to believe that he hasn't backdoored something nasty on the river the way he's played, but I can kindof see how he might have backed himself into a bluff. It's a strange river and a very strange bet. I probably call this down and then curse my luck to run into some wierd two pair that became a boat. To be honest, I'm not convinced about the VB on the river - he really doesn't have a lot that'll call that, unless you've seen him make some hero calls in the past. He may misinterpret a smal-ish value bet as a weak bluff and raise you off it, which would be a disaster here.

Anyhow, I'm making a bold guess at 3QJK or perhaps 88xx with a residue of a draw in there somewhere.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:05 pm

I called him down and he had T3K9 or something, no flush draws.

I think raising the turn is good because of the times that he does show up with a hand like what he had, and it's pretty difficult to imagine me being very far behind.

The thing I thought of at the time was that he probably isn't calling a turn raise with anything that I'm ahead of - at least not often - but that is more of a holdem concept I think as he could easily have something like 2pr + gutshot + flushdraw and talk himself into calling, or he could possibly fold bottom set, etc.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:57 pm

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Postby Aisthesis » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:36 am

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Postby Spank_her_Pair » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:43 pm

[5c] [7c]
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