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Postby euri10 » Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 am

I'd like to hear your thoughts about this hand, should I fold on the flop raise ?

#Game No : 2067974545
***** Hand History for Game 2067974545 *****
$200 PL Omaha Hi - Wednesday, May 18, 12:25:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 36824 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: bandit100 ( $264.67 )
Seat 5: testcast ( $119.1 )
Seat 6: DNcrew ( $391.77 )
Seat 8: SkitBakis ( $343.95 )
Seat 9: Gideon1 ( $230 )
Seat 10: benovitch ( $201.9 )
Seat 3: AAorPoker ( $98 )
Seat 2: knallbirne ( $358.65 )
Seat 7: poker343 ( $204.55 )
Seat 1: trudicat ( $203.4 )
poker343 posts small blind [$1].
SkitBakis posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to benovitch [6d] [8c] [7s] [7h]
Gideon1 calls [$2].
benovitch calls [$2].
trudicat raises [$4].
knallbirne folds.
AAorPoker calls [$4].
bandit100 raises [$6].
testcast calls [$6].
DNcrew folds.
poker343 folds.
SkitBakis folds.
Gideon1 calls [$4].
benovitch calls [$4].
trudicat calls [$2].
AAorPoker calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [7c], [Th], [4s]
Gideon1 checks.
benovitch bets [$37.05].
trudicat raises [$74.1].
AAorPoker folds.
bandit100 folds.
testcast folds.
Gideon1 folds.
benovitch is all-In [$158.85]
trudicat calls [$121.8].
** Dealing Turn ** [4c]
** Dealing River ** [Tc]
trudicat shows [ 6s, 7d, 9h, 8h ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
benovitch shows [ 6d, 8c, 7s, 7h ] a full house, Sevens full of tens.
benovitch wins $427.8 from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of tens.
I cried because I had no draw, until I met a man with no pair>>>MVSPORTS
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Postby ptrack mike » Thu May 19, 2005 5:29 am

After the hand I played the other day I would have folded. It was very similar to yours. I had 9887, board was J-8-3 rb. I knew when my pot bet was raised that chances were good that I was up against JJxx. I ended up losing my stack because I just couldn't lay it down... :oops:
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu May 19, 2005 12:30 pm

No, you have to move in. For a start, it's a minimum raise (if he had top set he's pushing in his stack, usually, given a typical opponent), but the CRUCIAL thing in any case is that you have a back up draw - you can catch 8 clean outs to a straight if he does have top set, so you're not drawing dead... against any other holding (2 pair, wrap draw, bottom set) you're a fairly big favourite, so this is a good spot to push in your stack, even if he DID make a proper raise.

If he raises full pot, is a known solid player, AND you had no draw to back-up your set, then you can probably fold.

A HUGE crime in omaha is to get in against an aggressive player in a spot where you MAY be drawing dead - such as the middle-set-no-draw example, but in a position where you have maybe a 50:50 chance of holding the best hand, and where you hold a decent draw if you don't, you can consider playing for your stack much more comfortably.

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