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Multiway big draw PLO8

Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:49 am

Any thoughts on this hand?

100PLO8 at Party yesterday. The table is pretty loose and so far I'm 100-odd up (though at another table so I only started this hand with a stack of about 100).

I am dealt AQT3 with a suited ace on the button. EP player (no real read but I don't think he/she is too bad) raises to $3.50 (from memory), three callers to me so I take a look at a flop. BB comes in for the ride too.

Flop brings 25J with two of my suit, giving me nut flush draw and nut low draw with a gutshot to the wheel. Also you shouldn't underestimate the power of my AQT around the jack, as it means I can still back into a winner if the board blanks out with high cards and I miss my flush, reducing the chances of someone scooping me with a current winning high hand. I am, at this point, not folding to any action, obviously.

Preflop raiser bets out, 18 bucks or something, and there are two calls to me. All players have $100 or over. I auto-pushed pretty much, didn't think about the hand, knowing I hold a monster and want my stack in ASAP with all that juicey money in the middle.

The result is largely immaterial (Preflop raiser pushed his big stack with A245, bottom two plus second nut low, a pretty poor play IMO, and another guy came along for the ride with A34 for the nu low/wheel wrap draw. I had about 44% of the equity 3-ways with dead money in the pot, the preflop raiser who decided that bottom two is the sort of O8 monster that you need to play for your entire stack managed to luck out and caught a 2 followed by a jack to make a scooping boat, despite the fact he held the worst hand and was lucky to not be even more badly dominated after his unwise push). However, I'm wondering if my line is not entirely correct here - three players are in for 18 bucks, and obviously I want to keep everybody in the pot where possible (I figure I have no fold equity for my all-in, and all my draws are basically clean - no-one is folding an A3 in this spot and my flush is obviously to the nut), perhaps I should have just made a small raise. Every dollar in the pot from hereon in is more or less dead money because of the cleanliness of my draws, so I should've tried something slightly more elegant than an $80 push to keep everybody else in the hand yet build the pot so as to more or less pot commit people. For instance, if the guy with A245 folds here (as he probably should've) I'm missing out on $80 of his stack he'd put in with a hand that is dead money to me (considering the guy with A34 also held a pair so was beating me if it blanked off). Perhaps I should've raised about $25-30. I also reserve the right to pass (though I wouldn't, with nut low draw, a few possible high draws, in a big multiway pot) if the board pairs on the turn. But then again, if I do that and my flush hits on the turn, am I not liable to lose people holding two pair-type hands if I push all in? Perhaps I was right in the first instance!

How would you maximise profit on this hand?
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Postby Kuso » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:55 am

wwcrd?

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Postby GooperMC » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:48 am

I don't wait, I jam.

I am doing this for a few reasons
1) You want callers but you don't want another A3 to hang around
2) You want top set to pay you off which he won't if you flat call the the flush turns
3) You don't want to give top set odds to boat up
4) I think you do have some fold equity.
5) Aggro is fun!

There a still a lot of turn cards that hurt your hand 3 As, 3 3s, 3 2s, 3 5s, 3 Js, and a lot of cards that aren't that helpful 3 Qs, 3 Ts, etc. I would make life easy on myself and push.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:05 am

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A licky boom boom down.
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Postby GooperMC » Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:31 am

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Postby Kuso » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:11 pm

wwcrd?

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