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Should I not have isolated here? (PLO $25 6-max)

Postby MTPaid » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:44 pm

I'm obviously against the nuts when a player pots it like this in this game, but with this hand, I don't care. But did I make a mistake in shoving and therefore isolating him? Because immediately afterward, I realized that all my outs were to the nuts (unless someone else had a set and hits quads). Do I really accomplish anything by forcing lesser hands out? So might it not be better to just call and encourage a larger pot?

$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
4 players
Converted at

Stacks:
CO ($32.05)
BTN ($20.60)
Hero ($24.15)
BB ($33.70)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 4 players) Hero is SB [Ac][8h][8d][Tc]
CO calls $0.25 ($31.80), BTN calls $0.25 ($20.35), Hero calls $0.15 ($23.90), BB checks ($33.45)

Flop: [8c][4d][6c] ($1, 4 players)
Hero bets $0.75 ($23.15), BB calls $0.75 ($32.70), CO calls $0.75 ($31.05), BTN raises to $4.7 ($15.65), Hero raises to $16.55 ($6.60), BB folds ($32.70), CO folds ($31.05), BTN goes all-in $20.35 ($0.00), Hero calls $3.8 ($3.55)

Turn: [2d] ($43.2, 2 players)

River: [Ah] ($43.2, 2 players)

Final Pot: $43.20
BTN shows: [3d][5h][7h][7c]
Hero shows: [Ac][8h][8d][Tc]

BTN wins $41.2 ( won +$20.6 )
CO lost -$1.00
Hero lost -$20.60
BB lost -$1.00
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Postby Kuso » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:02 pm

as a basic guideline, i don't think you're making a _big_ mistake (if any) with either line. that being said, beyond a basic line, the "best" line depends a lot on reads. factors to consider:

- how likely is it that the players behind you will call?

- how likely is it that villain(s) will give you action when you hit?

- how likely is it that villain(s) will fold if a higher straight card hits the board and you bet out?


as a general rule, i usually jam these pots. i'm somewhere between 55/45 and 60/40 hu (depends on how clean my outs are) against a made straight, and i can always hope to trap another straight for robusto pot equity. occasionally, however, i like to mix it up and just flat call and then lead when the scare card hits (which in this case is good for you). the flat call / lead scare card bluff is a nice little play i like to use, but you have to flat call on the flop sometimes in order to make the bluff believable when you do it.
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Postby Kuso » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:05 pm

btw, twodimes:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4448970
pokenum -o ac tc 8h 8d - 3d 5h 7h 7c -- 8c 4d 6c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 8c 6c 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Tc 8d 8h 498 60.73 322 39.27 0 0.00 0.607
7c 3d 7h 5h 322 39.27 498 60.73 0 0.00 0.393
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Postby MTPaid » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:32 pm

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Postby Kuso » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:56 am

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