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Do we want to isolate on the turn? (LO8 6-max $2/4)

Postby MTPaid » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:59 pm

Sorry, I don't have much in the way of reads except to say that none of these players have been particularly impressive. A couple of them, I'm not even sure if they know they are playing a hi/lo game. They've shown down hands like AJJ8 and 8876 from outside the blinds.

$1/$2 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
6 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($124.50)
UTG+1 ($135.00)
Hero ($90.50)
BTN ($52.00)
SB ($213.50)
BB ($74.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO [Kc][Ad][3h][9d]
UTG calls $2 ($122.50), 1 fold, Hero calls $2 ($88.50), 1 fold, SB calls $1 ($211.50), BB checks ($72.00)

Flop: [2d][4s][9h] ($8, 4 players)
SB bets $2 ($209.50), BB calls $2 ($70.00), UTG calls $2 ($120.50), Hero raises to $4 ($84.50), SB calls $2 ($207.50), BB folds ($70.00), UTG calls $2 ($118.50)

Turn: [Td] ($22, 3 players)
SB checks ($207.50), UTG bets $4 ($114.50), Hero raises to $8

Do I want to raise the turn here? Do I want to call and keep the other player in with so many outs to the nuts both ways OR do I want to try and raise him off a naked A3? (although he'll probably still call for a naked quarter probably)
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Postby emmasdad » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:12 pm

at higher stakes Id push this hand but at lower stakes against retards I think this is a pulling hand. Try to keep the other guy in.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:36 am

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Postby emmasdad » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:57 am

If there is any indication that SB is bad enough to cold call 2 on the turn chasing a naked low, then I agree with monk. I really think UTG has us beat for high - donking into the flop raiser on the turn 3 way is usually a overpair or two pair type hand or slowplayed (lol?) flopped set that doesn't want to have the turn check around.. If we lose SB with a turn raise the hand just got expensive. If SB cold calls 2 on the turn we can cap if UTG 3 bets and life is good.
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Postby MTPaid » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:25 pm

I didn't think I was ahead when I raised, but I just thought that I still had so much equity in the pot with so many good river cards that could come that a raise was still profitable. And they were pretty stupid on the whole, so it wouldn't have surprised me if the other player came along for a naked low draw.

Results:

$1/$2 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
6 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($124.50)
UTG+1 ($135.00)
Hero ($90.50)
BTN ($52.00)
SB ($213.50)
BB ($74.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO [Kc][Ad][3h][9d]
UTG calls $2 ($122.50), 1 fold, Hero calls $2 ($88.50), 1 fold, SB calls $1 ($211.50), BB checks ($72.00)
ImageImageImageImage 38.40% (EV = $1.07)
ImageImageImageImage 61.60% (EV = $2.93)

Flop: [2d][4s][9h] ($8, 4 players)
SB bets $2 ($209.50), BB calls $2 ($70.00), UTG calls $2 ($120.50), Hero raises to $4 ($84.50), SB calls $2 ($207.50), BB folds ($70.00), UTG calls $2 ($118.50)
ImageImageImageImage 24.10% (EV = $1.30)
ImageImageImageImage 75.90% (EV = $12.70)

Turn: [Td] ($22, 3 players)
SB checks ($207.50), UTG bets $4 ($114.50), Hero raises to $8 ($76.50), SB folds ($207.50), UTG calls $4 ($110.50)
ImageImageImageImage 51.20% (EV = $11.46)
ImageImageImageImage 48.70% (EV = $10.51)

River: [Kd] ($38, 2 players)
UTG bets $4 ($106.50), Hero raises to $8 ($68.50), UTG calls $4 ($102.50)
ImageImageImageImage 0.00% (EV = -$8.00)
ImageImageImageImage 100.00% (EV = $46.00)

Final Pot: $54
UTG shows: [Jc][Qs][9c][Tc]
Hero shows: [Kc][Ad][3h][9d]

Hero wins $52 ( won +$30 )
SB lost -$6.00
BB lost -$4.00
UTG lost -$22.00

It looks like I may have bought myself a couple of Ace outs to the scoop (2 pair) with the turn raise too.
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