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Postby Kalle » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:18 pm

$2/4 at PS. I ($398) raise UTG with QQ. MP ($411) calls and BB ($310) calls. MP is a solid player. BB is not bad and a little tricky.

Flop $50
976r

I bet $35. They both call

Turn $155
9762

BB checks, I check, MP bets $54, SB calls. I get great odds on my call but I decide to fold. Too weak tight?? Bet more on flop and then check-fold turn?
I just thought someone flopped a set or two pair.
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Postby Mad Genius » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:25 pm

Ugh. I hate situations like these. I think your turn fold is correct, even though it sucks to have to make that fold. One thing I might do differently is bet more on the flop. Maybe 55-60. This way 88 and even TT will probably fold and you can take it down, and if you get called you can shut it down from there. When you only bet 35 it could mean they are drawing or that they have a set, which makes the turn trickier to play.
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Postby kennyg » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:30 pm

I think you played it fine. I figure if you're not gonna bet the turn....then you should just fold. Betting is better then calling.

I would have contined betting the turn but I can see why you were nervous.
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Postby Kalle » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:41 am

MG. You say you might overbet the pot on flop and shut down if called. You would have done the same in iceman’s $5/10 KK hand. What is you reasoning behind such a play? That only a hand that beats you will call?
I just hate throwing more $ into a pot than necessary. But perhaps it’s the best way to avoid tough turn decisions.
Would you say it’s a bet for information, a bet to take the pot down or both?

The strange thing is that the strength of your hand actually doesn’t matter if you are prepared to fold if called. You have no intentions of going to showdown unless you improve. It’s the same as if you bet an unimproved suited connector when you raised preflop (except your chances of improving are bigger in the QQ-KK hands).

Wouldn’t a good observant player pick up on this play, and call you on flop with nothing and take it away from you on turn?(ok, he should be very observant and play a lot with you to make such a play).

And isn’t it possible that some players will think that the reason you overbet is that you don’t have anything and therefore they will call with a weaker holding? Or do you think that they don’t want to risk a lot of $ when the pot is fairly small in relation to the bet they face?

Despite of the questions I actually think it’s a good play and I overbet the pot sometimes after raising preflop. But when to do it? I remember three times I did it recently:
Raise with [Qh][Qd] 3 callers, flop is [9c][7c][2c] (1 caller, I check-folded turn)
Raise with AK 2 callers, flop is KT9 (two callers - A9 and T9, I check-folded river)
Raise with AA 3 callers, flop is KQJ (No callers)


In the 2/4 hand... river was a jack, and they both checked river. SB had 98s and MP had KK. My read that someone flopped a set was wrong but my fold was correct.
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