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Postby Smokin'Al » Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:34 pm

Seem to be getting or facing AA a ridiculous number of times this weekend ... I don't like my play in either of these hands.

Hand 1: Party $200NL. I don't have a strong image on this table, simply because I kept walking into slowplayed aces. Villain in this hand hasn't been there long, and played one hand where he stacked someone with KK vs QQ, via a cunningly weak bet that induced a check-raise all in - so I have him down as possibly a bit tricky. I have $209 and villain has $412.

Villain limps from utg+1. I raise with [Ah] [Ad] from MP and only villain calls.

Flop: 2 players, $23 and [7h] [Jh] [9c]. Villain checks, I bet $15, and he check raises to $35. I have a little think, then call.

Turn: 2 players, $93 and ([7h] [Jh] [9c]) [4s]. Villain checks, I check behind.

River: 2 players, $93 and ([7h] [Jh] [9c] [4s]) [6d]. Villain checks.

What range of hands do you put villain on, and what do you do on the river (eg check it down, bet 1/2 pot, full pot, overbet the port)?

I'm interested in any other comments on flop and turn (fold/reraise flop, bet turn).

Hand 2: Party $100NL (6 max). For reference, I have VPIP about 40% and PFR about 20% ... it's fair to say I have an aggressive image. Villain has not played many hands yet. He has $95 and I have him covered with $210. I have [As] [Ac] in the cut-off and raise a limper to $4. Limper and Villain call. The button, big blind, and limper all call.

Flop: 4 players, $17, and [2c] [Jd] [Kd]. Villain bets $20, limper folds.

What's your plan of attack for the rest of the hand?
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:43 pm

Hand 1....I dont know what he has, but Ive never seen someone check raise the flop in a raised pot...and then check the turn when they had a set. I bet $50 at the river. He has something like KJ or a flush draw maybe.

Hand 2....Raise the flop. If he calls..check behind at the turn and determine the river play from there.
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Postby palman » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:02 pm

Hand 2, Odds are the player is behind by a good bit, based on the size of his bet. I wouldn't recommend checking behind on the turn if he calls your raise. If he has you beat he's short enough that he'll push on the river, and you'll call no matter what hits due to pot odds.
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Postby Danhdan » Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:40 am

Hand #1...villian might have top pair or busted draw, something like [Kh][Th]...maybe TT or 88. I probably would have bet the turn if checked to me, and would definitely bet the river if checked twice to me.

Hand #2...Raising the flop seems optimal...you should make him pay for chasing whatever he is chasing but if he reraises all in here, you will probably have to fold assuming a set or two pair. If he calls the raise I bet out on the turn if a blank hits. Also, I raise preflop more because you had alot of people call your raise here preflop...maybe bump it up a buck more against a similar table where preflop calls to raises are common.
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Postby palman » Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:04 am

I'm really having a hard time understanding the POV that you should fold if re-raised in hand #2. How often do people lead out for 20 into a 17 chip pot with two pair or better? Certainly not often enough to justify folding after you raise which leaves you with a 3:1 or even 4:1 pot odds call with rockets, dependent on your raise size. I put my odds of being ahead at that moment at well over 80% here, even if he pushes. Isn't this an automatic call? Especially in a 6 max game.
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Postby Danhdan » Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:47 am

You make a good point about the 6 player game. Watching my roommate for a while playing at the six man tables, he would readily push all in, making a huge overbet w/ an overpair...just because his opponents are horrible due to great table selection and are apt to call with a horrible draw. I still would have a tough time calling an all in bet, but, then again, since he has only $95, the numbers would probably dictate a call if I raised him to some amount like $55 and he went all in for another $40. If his stack was larger and he pushed everything toward the pot in a reraise on the flop...I am not very comfortable going all in on just a pair; I would want a better hand to put my whole stack in on.
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Postby Smokin'Al » Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:23 am

Thanks for the responses...

Hand 1: I got confused by my opponent's play and stupidly checked it down. Villain tabled [Qd][Jd] and MHIG. I was furious with myself afterwards for not either value betting $50 (as Iceman suggested), or even tasking a risk and representing a missed [Ah][Kh] with an $110 bet. After I checked the turn there was little chance he was checking a monster on the river, so not betting the river was very poor play.

I can't quite decide whether betting the turn (knocking out any draws) is preferable to checking the turn and betting the river (increasing the chance I'm called by weaker players).

Hand 2: I felt very strongly he had 2 pair during the hand, but decided to call down villain anyway (thinking that a raise would knock out all the hands that were beating me, but of course the table is draw heavy, so the call's a mistake). He moved in on some blank turn, I called, and he tabled [Kh][2h] and doubled through.

I hadn't paid much attention to the guy before this hand, but he turned out to be a loose passive fish (according to PT) - knowing this, I think a fold would have been correct. There's few things more irritating than not going with your read and finding your read was right!
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Postby palman » Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:19 am

Unless your opponnent in hand #2 has other glaring weaknesses..... he is a fairly solid player and I'd be inclined to stay out of his way. He made a great bet with 2 pair that your average player won't.

Betting $20 into a $17 pot is usually a sign the player has a hand like top pair, and doesn't want any action/betting out the draws.

If you re-raise to 55 or so, you'll be calling $40 to win $160, or 4:1 on your money to call, and even with him having 2 pair, you're going to win the hand 30% of the time (5 outs on the turn and 8 outs on the river) So even if he accidently flipped over his K2, you'd still call. This is an even money situation if he has 2 pair, and extremely +EV equal to the odds that he'd do it with top pair or a draw.
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Postby Smokin'Al » Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:48 pm

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Postby palman » Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:48 pm

Well I guess he did play K2 for a raise =)
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