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Postby Kurab » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:27 pm

Ok...just want to know if I really screwed this up or was my oppisition the moron I think he is.

.25/.50 NL at UB
Stack - Me 25
Him - 100

I am in LP all folded to me, I have AJo, everyone else folds but the BB who calls. Don't have much of a read on this guy.

Flop is [As][9c][6c]

He checks , I figure I need to remove the flush draw and that I am ahead I push and he calls

Turn and river are blanks - or so I think river was a 7 - and he turns over A7 of clubs for 2 pair.

And then procededs to tell me I am a moron.....Was I?

My thoughts is that he never should of called the pre flop bet - but was his call correct after the flop due to stack sizes?
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Postby Bob314 » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:10 pm

We need some more information here such as how much you raised it to preflop and what the size of the pot was on the flop, but I can tell you a couple things.

First your raise in LP with A-Jo was fine. I'm sure most people here would make that move. Your big mistake was pushing on the flop. You raised in late position, so maybe the BB put you on a steal and decided to call with a suited ace and see what happend. When you push all in here it looks supsicious. Maybe your opponent put you on a flush draw and knew that he had top pair and a draw that would beat your draw, which is why he called. What makes your all in bad is that you severely overbet the pot to remove a flush draw that might not even be there. When you are trying to bet out draws you don't need to bet anymore than 3/4 the pot (half pot gives him 4-1 on his call, which is what you don't want). You can make it incorrect for draws to call without committing your whole stack to a pot.
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Postby Mad Genius » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:29 pm

Wait how much did you raise preflop? If you did the standard 4xBB raise, pot must have been like $5. If you went allin that means you bet about $22 into a $5 pot. That is really not a good overbet in that situation. If you are trying to bet out flush draw, then a pot-sized bet is more than enough to give him incorrect odds to draw. If he is dumb enough to call a pot-sized bet with a flush draw, he'd call an allin too. As it turns out, he had top pair AND flush draw. I don't think his call is that bad. He probably puts you on AK and knows he has 12 outs. Not a great call on his part, but not an absolute fish move.
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Postby Kurab » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:34 pm

Sorry about the incomplete info for the hand -

Your right itwas a standard raise...I see your point about the pot bet - and your right -I think I was on a bit of tilt - had lost several hands in a row.

Thanks for the input all.
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Postby k3nt » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:02 am

OK, I don't understand the conversation about this hand.

On the flop, he has has 12 outs to win (3 7's and 9 clubs), and two cards to get there, which makes you about a 55/45 favorite (if I'm doing the math right). That's about as good a hand as you can put him on -- with anything less, he has a worse chance to beat you. So you have put your money in with a better than even chance before the flop. You also have the chance that he'll fold to your bet, adding to your EV. So overall it's a +EV play. When you have a +EV play, why not go all-in and make it for as much $$ as possible?

Also, if my math is right and he has a 45% chance to win this one, then putting in a pot-sized bet does give him correct odds to call. The more you put in, the worse his odds, and the more likely he is to fold. (Isn't that right?)

So in my book you played it just right.

As always, looking to be instructed. Thanks in advance.
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