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Folding KK on the turn - weak?

Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue May 23, 2006 1:18 am

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Hero ($45)
UTG+1 ($66.70)
MP1 ($51.25)
MP2 ($126.62)
MP3 ($57.10)
CO ($59.51)
Button ($40.86)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($89.56)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Kd], [Kh]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, 5 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) [4d], [Jd], [Tc] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) [6h] (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP2 raises to $16, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $34.75

MP2 was semi-loose and somewhat passive, although I didn't have enough hands on him for any solid reads at the time. I later learned more about his play, but I'll only give you the information I had.

I wither and die against those min-raises.
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Postby Danhdan » Tue May 23, 2006 1:20 am

Great fold. Move on, trust me. I called a min-raise today and was reminded yet again why I must lay down to them. Donked off that stack I did.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Tue May 23, 2006 1:56 am

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue May 23, 2006 2:51 am

Right... except I should emphasize I did not play enough hands with him to know for certain how passive or tricky he was. So against your typical unknown opposition, would you be folding to this min-raise? Lately I've been nearly 100% folding to it.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Tue May 23, 2006 2:53 am

Yes... with one pair on that flop and getting minned on the turn... I fold...
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Postby NorthView » Tue May 23, 2006 5:54 am

Yes, here too. IMO when they flop a monster 95% of players at these levels either MR the flop, or flat call the flop and MR the turn.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue May 23, 2006 1:25 pm

I only consider limping KK and AA if the table often folds to UTG raises and there is a lot of pre-flop raising going on. At these small stakes tables, not many people are big raisers, and I often still get a caller or two with my raise, so I get exactly what I want - a sizeable pot with a monster hand. On more aggressive tables, I'd consider your play, but not here.
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Postby Alchemist » Wed May 24, 2006 10:55 am

I'd have no trouble folding KK in that spot. At the very least, villain has TPTK or a bizarre AdQd but not enough times to go to the felt with it. Anything making a set or JT are all possible here so most of the time you're losing. Good fold
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