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Top pair no kicker

Postby Eman » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:52 am

I played this hand lastnight at a $50NL table on Party.

I just started about 10 minutes ago and have a stack of $68. I see a free flop in the BB with Q2 of diamonds. There are 5 limpers and myself in the pot.
The flop is: Qs 6d 8s. I check to the limpers. I dont put much value in top pair no kicker, out of position, with a lot of limpers, and two draws out. It gets checked around.
Turn is a 3d. Pot is $6 and I bet $6. I get called by a huge stack ($250ish).
River is an offsuit 3.
I check and he bets $20 into a $18 pot.
I called.
Who calls here, and why? Who folds and why?
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Postby Molina » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:15 am

Even though you've only been at the table, the big stack should have probably shown tendencies of bully play if that was actually his style. The only way I call in this situation if he's been doing this with garbage a lot.

With no read I fold, I figure calling this every time is a huge loser in the long run. Plus, practising discipline in this hand leads to better habits in potentially much costlier hands further down the line.

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:30 am

My play would probably depend on what position the big stack was in.
I play hands like that just like you did on the flop and turn. I get alot of calls from people with 2nd pair because they never put me on top pair. It works better when I bet the turn after a jack or ten falls because they assume I hit the turn card and not the queen.
Im not sure why you checked the river though. I wouldve bet about $6-$10 again.
When you checked and he bet the full pot, I think he beats you.
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Postby Eman » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:45 am

The only possible hand that he could have that beats me is Q with a better kicker, but I figured he had a draw. If he did have top pair, or a set, he would have raised me at some point. I was pretty sure he wouldnt call any bet on the river because alll possible draws missed on the river. I checked to let him take a stab at the pot and bet. I called instantly. He had Kxs..and was drawing to the flush.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:58 pm

I always play close attention to big stacks because you never know if they got the stack by great play or by being a lucky fish. Obviously, you want to attack a lucky fish and avoid a great player with a big stack.

Anyone who calls a pot bet at the turn with a flush draw is in the lucky fish catagory.
This is where reads come in. I wouldnt have made THIS call, but from now on against him its an easy call. Nice going Eman.
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